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I'm not salty at all, you absolute bitch (lemmy.world)

submitted 10 months ago by Stamets@lemmy.world to c/rpgmemes@ttrpg.network

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[–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think part of this is a misunderstanding of what charisma actually represents. It's literally just real-world charisma. There are only a couple instances of official materials mentioning appearance as being related to charisma in all five editions put together. Danny DeVito has 18 charisma. Sloth from The Goonies is lovable enough that he's probably rocking a 14 or so. Ted Striker from Airplane has a 4 in CHA. Sure, he's handsome, but he literally bores people to death. Prince Valium from Spaceballs is similarly low, being dull enough that he puts himself to sleep.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Eh, when it's tied to spell casting, appearance is the least factor, and not every dm uses it for that (I didn't and don't for regular d&d)

And it is tied to spell casting in multiple ways, across multiple classes. So that means it isn't real world charisma. Mind you, that's also ignoring how much real world charisma is appearance based. And it is a major factor in the real world, which may explain why you used so many characters as examples.

D&d, RAW, says charisma is a stat that allows people to use magic. Same as wisdom and intelligence. That is a huge issue. Intelligence is explained as being the tool because the characters learn magic using the mind, and cast magic via mental skills. Wisdom gives the character the ability to interact with a source of power by attuning/worship/"grokking", and thus use magic.

Charisma? They charm the magic out of the air? At least with warkocks, that makes thematic sense. Their personality allowed them to convince something to give them power. But bards blow that out. How the heck does their personality make magic happen? It doesn't.

So, opinion here, either the decision was made, and was a bad decision, or the decision was made for a reason, but the stat no longer represents a real world ability at all, just like wisdom doesn't (and never did, really, imo). At least with int, you can pretend they're learning the underlying forces and techniques to allow what they do.

[–] Vespair@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It's force of will combined with self-confidence. Sorcerers cast magic using "The Secret," basically. They believe in themselves hard enough that they manifest power into being. That's the idea of charisma spell-casting. It's okay if you think that's dumb, but that's the idea at play here.

edit for an analogy: where a Wizard has a magic book full of spells, the Sorcerer has a glitter-dusted vision board.

second edit: added links to give context for anyone unfamiliar with relevant terminology