That's literally how all negotiations work. Hostage negotiations - you take hostages and then negotiate for benefits in exchange for release. War negotiations - you dominate a space and then negotiate for benefits in exchange for ending violence. Unless you're the USA, where you dominate a region after the majority of forces are already defeated and then when someone tries to negotiate their surrender you nuke 200k civilians.

[–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Unless you're the USA, where you dominate a region after the majority of forces are already defeated and then when someone tries to negotiate their surrender you nuke 200k civilians.

Damn when did that happen?? Sounds truly awful

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The USA nuked two civilians cities in Japan DURING negotiations for surrender.

[–] ComradeChairmanKGB@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

he doesn’t get to invade and then negotiate to keep part of the place he invaded

Are you at all familiar with any history at all? How do you think such treaties usually go? Or did you think borders spent the last couple millenia shifting mysteriously without reason?

[–] commandar@kbin.social -5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The wider international community has largely rejected wars of conquest as legitimate in modern times.

The exact same argument could be applied to Israel and e.g. the Golan Heights, but I don't think you'll find that to be a particularly popular position.

[–] o_d@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 2 years ago

Are you so naive to think that Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and even the 2013 coup in Ukraine were not acts of conquest of the US empire? Perhaps you're correct that the wider international community has rejected acts of conquest, but this certainly doesn't include the USA, who is quite literally a rogue state.

[–] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 2 years ago

The wider international community has largely rejected wars of conquest as legitimate in modern times.

The international community in question: