I know you're angry about injustice and indifference to injustice, and I am too, but I think it would be effective to take a less aggressive stance against people who are obviously blackout drunk on the Kool-Aid. It's not productive to scare them off.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Bullshit, that was a great response

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I understand your opinion, but in this case, where Israeli propaganda is so ubiquitous and supplants the truth for millions of people, anyone wanting to learn history or current events (especially as it relates to international law) should be introduced to facts and reality instead of scared away with a bruised ego. I think that's a better way to enable truth and justice than tribalistic circle jerks.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Stop being contrarian and write a better response then

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 3 points 9 months ago

Sure:

"Actually, Israel has, through policy and violence, turned Gaza into an open air prison and the UN has legally affirmed the right of the oppressed to fight for freedom by any means necessary.

Israel's claim of self-defense is not valid under international law, since they are attacking an area they occupy militarily.

If you would like to get a more accurate picture of the situation, here are some links to get started:

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2019/02/no-justification-israel-shoot-protesters-live-ammunition

https://www.mintpressnews.com/pro-israel-trolls-mobbing-twitter-community-notes/286099/

https://www.btselem.org/administrative_detention

https://jacobin.com/2023/11/west-bank-israeli-settlers-palestinian-olive-trees-violence-occupation/

https://socialistproject.ca/2021/07/israel-hasbara-belly-up-global-protest/

https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/10/1129942

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/12/business/harvard-doxxing-truck-israel-hamas-statement/index.html

https://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/pdf/ProtectiveEdge.pdf

https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20211110-how-israel-uses-facial-recognition-technology-to-monitor-west-bank-palestinians

https://www.972mag.com/second-nakba-government-gaza/

https://www.whoprofits.org/

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2024/feb/04/cnn-staff-pro-israel-bias

That way if they are interested in learning the truth then we make it easier for them. If they're not then there's nothing we can do but we shouldn't scare them off, that would be a disservice to the truth, especially when the mainstream framing of this situation is pro-Israel vs. pro-Palestine when the reality is pro-Israel vs pro-human-rights-and-international-law.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 months ago

That may be.

[–] HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works -2 points 9 months ago

Not very constructive either to question people's drinking habits for the sake of winning an argument. Whatever, you have a good one