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[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ukraine has plenty of opportunities to win. It could have chosen to chart a more balanced position between the EU and Russia. It could have given the Donbass some independence referenda and just let them go. It could have actually tried to adhere to the numerous Minsk Agreements to deescalate and prevent war. It could have negotiated for peace while the Russians were pulling back after its previously more successful counter offensives.

But each time its leaders ignored the off ramp to peace and pursued delusional maximalist goals, egged on by promises of EU and NATO membership which even Zelensky acknowledged publically were just carrots dangled in front of Ukraine.

Now there's no pathway to any sort of Ukrainian victory and the most realistic scenarios all involve Ukraine permanently giving up Donbas and Crimea. The only difference between the likely outcome now and just giving them a referendum in 2014 is a couple hundred thousand Ukrainian graves.

I'd respect the EU and NATO more if they had actually followed through with their promises to Ukraine instead of this Charlie Brown football bullshit.

[–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ukraine has plenty of opportunities to win. It could have chosen to chart a more balanced position between the EU and Russia.

I mean they tried to but they got couped by the US for their troubles.

[–] bazo@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Give your mother to russians and after that you can propose to give Ukrainian land.