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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/13355449

Capitalism is a game where only a few people get to win.

We have also seen time and time again that it is a game that is able to manipulate and change whatever ideology or behaviour you have to work towards its own benefit.

So the only way to actually "win" is to not play the game.

Right now that seems impossible because it is a massive collective action problem, however this whole platform is a testament to show that it's possible to overcome that kind of problem.

Reddit is a dominant platform that is starting to destroy itself. People are in turn finding alternatives such as Lemmy to satisfy the need that Reddit once did.

I view capitalism in the same way. It will never truly completely cease to exist (the same way Digg never truly died), but it can become irrelevant over time if we collectively decide to just use another system to satisfy the same needs that capitalism is satisfying today.

The one example that I can think of that tries to tackle this problem is the idea of free stores that are based on a gift economy. If more people decided to use this system instead of capitalism then capitalism will have less sway over people's lives.

And in the end it doesn't have to be specifically a free store that needs to be adopted by wider society but whatever it is does need to satisfy the same basic need that capitalism does in our current society.

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[–] Steve@startrek.website 6 points 9 months ago (6 children)

The only way to move beyond capitalism is to find the source of free energy that will enable post-scarcity. Until then humans will continue to compete for resources.

[–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

Or move to circular economy and accept that GDP doesn't measure prosperity. We already have free energy from the Sun.

[–] the_q@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You know we have enough food for everyone. Scarcity is created and would be if we had free energy.

[–] xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

We may technically have enough food for everyone, but we don’t have teleporters.

[–] the_q@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

We have boats and planes though, but besides that teleporting isn't a factor when people are starving right next to a taco bell which is the point I was trying to make.

[–] BEZORP@kbin.social 4 points 9 months ago

This is a commonly held belief and one that I had for most of my life. I don't know what finally did it for me, but the book Trekonomics definitely gave me a push.

[–] kriz@slrpnk.net 3 points 9 months ago

We are already post scarcity. Most energy use is just a complete waste.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago

Most of our energy is used wastefully in the pursuit of infinite growth on a finite planet. We have enough energy to provide for every person. We do not have enough energy to provide for capital

[–] taanegl@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

This.

This is why investment in fusion is so important. For one thing all energy markets will become null and void. But secondly, the point where we have no more energy scarcity is a point when we finally have replicators.

I can taste the raktakino now.