The problem is that Ukraine is given enough not to lose, but not enough to win. At this rate, Ukraine will depend on western hand-outs much longer than if the West fully committed to see Ukraine restore its borders.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's the point. The West doesn't want the war to ever end.

[–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Then it's up to the people to demand more support from Ukraine.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Absurd. America has already given $75 billion in "assistance" to keep this war going, imagine if that had been spent on people who need it in America? And you want to spend even more than that??? Every bomb is food stolen from the mouth of a hungry child.

[–] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What is your plan than?

What should the west do?

Let me guess, you have no alternative that does not boil down to "Let Putin and people like him do what they want."

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Negotiate an end to the war. I'd support a UN monitored vote in the Donbass region and Crimea (and any other contested area) on whether they want to join Russia or stay with Ukraine.

[–] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Negotiate an end to the war.

Russia refuses to give back the lands seized.

Now what to you do?

I’d support a UN monitored vote in the Donbass region and Crimea (and any other contested area) on whether they want to join Russia or stay with Ukraine.

Not an option the Ukrainian gov will accept. Nor should they.
When parts of the USA wanted to leave that was not response from the USA.

[–] Krause@lemmygrad.ml -4 points 1 year ago

Not an option the Ukrainian gov will accept

Losers don't get to dictate rules, the negotiations will be between Russia and US/NATO, it doesn't matter what the client state thinks.

[–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Sorry, but as if. Russia is a UN veto power. And Russia would never accept UN troops sent by the West to oversee anything. And african nations won't want to piss off Putin by agreeing to this. Putin wants his anti-NATO back and this war will only end with Putin thuroughly defeated.
Not to mention that such a vote would be a farce anyway. Russia has had enough time to kill, torture, intimidate or disappear enough people that such a vote could never be fair.
And as for the money spent on Ukraine, it's but a cheap talking point to suggest that supporting Ukraine and supporting your own population are mutually exclusive. Not to mention believing that if the money wouldn't have been spent on Ukraine, that your own people would've seen that money is pretty delusional. For starters, most of the support sent by the US is hardware. And the given value for that support is the replacement cost for the kit sent. However, most of the kit sent was due to be replaced anyways, so the actual cost for the US is much lower than the figure being thrown around.

[–] Krause@lemmygrad.ml -4 points 1 year ago

this war will only end with Putin thuroughly defeated

Do you really believe that? After 3 months of this pathetic counteroffensive with nothing to show do you honestly still believe that Ukraine will turn things around with the power of friendship?

[–] Krause@lemmygrad.ml -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The problem is that Ukraine is given enough not to lose, but not enough to win.

The problem is that Ukraine is given what the West can afford to give, they haven't got the industry to fight Russia's war machine in a war of attrition anymore after deindustrialization and the shift to neoliberal policies. Sucks to suck, shouldn't have shipped manufacturing to China to crush their domestic labor movement 😄