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[–] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 38 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Also, I genuinely don't think most Americans care all that much to the degree it would affect their support of Biden.

I'm struggling to think of anyone I know who is so upset about Israel they would consider throwing the country to Trump, and I know a lot of people that have very strong opinions on Israel.

It just doesn't track. If you're against Israel's actions, you're probably also not keen on fascism, racism, and authoritarianism...so logically, you're not keen on letting Trump win.

[–] UnpopularCrow@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

According to the census, 1.1% of Americans are Muslim and many Muslim leaders are encouraging their base not to vote for Biden. They aren’t voting for Trump either but since Muslims lean heavily democrat, a non vote is the same as voting for Trump in a swing state. It isn’t that they want Trump and authoritarianism, it’s that they are protesting against the US support for Israel.

Source: https://apnews.com/article/muslim-swing-state-biden-vote-fb3b93f465ed6fd34a901c269a084a90

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 12 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Well that there is a failure of Muslim leadership.

Hatred is often a self destructive thing. Not voting for Biden increases the probability that Trump will win which will be a very bad thing for Muslims in the US. So they're willing to cause themselves harm over their hatred of Israel.

Maybe it's time people stop listening to leaders that want to sacrifice the people they lead to make themselves look like strong men?

[–] UnpopularCrow@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I certainly do not disagree with you. What the Muslim leaders are doing is certainly stupid as Trump will be far worse for their people in the Middle East. I am just relaying the information that is out there about their current agenda.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago

I think it's too soon to tell really. There's people saying a lot of things out of emotion but emotions tend to fade. It's easy to say you hypothetically won't vote for Biden to exert pressure right now, but when facing the cold hard reality of the potential for a Trump presidency which emotion takes precedence.

Mostly this thing is dependent on Hamas being decisively defeated a few months before the election so people will no longer have the most documented war in history on their screens making them upset.

[–] FuzzyGrumblebee@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 10 months ago

How the fuck is refusing to support genocide "hatred"?

US foreign policy over multiple decades has hammered home for Muslims that both parties froth at the mouth to murder them and their families. It's only natural that we won't vote for either of those murderers. I know I'll personally be voting for the Green Party, and the only thing that could get me to consider voting for a Democrat ever again would be if the President turned himself, Obama, and George W. bush over to The Hague to stand trial for their murderous wars.

[–] Cowlitz@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Yea sadly. Even just looking at israel/gaza Trump would do at least as bad as biden and probably worse.