Can we apply this methodology of Chinas in how they treat their neighbors, and “wont seek to “own” outer-space” and do so at the benefit of the world and compare it to how they treat Taiwan, Hong Kong, and international waters? Oh to shreds you say?

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Taiwan and Hong Kong were ripped away from China by European colonists, you ignoramus. Hong Kong was occupied as a British colony after the British dominated China during the Opium Wars, you know, that century that started when China decided to ban opium since the Europeans had gotten 60% of the Chinese population addicted and Britain decided to run gun boats through the coast terrorizing and destroying until they sacked the capital, stole and destroyed priceless history, and then forced the Chinese at gun point to re-legalize the drug AND grant ALL Europeans immunity from Chinese law within the 5 major ports?

Taiwan was the last theater of the Chinese civil war until the British and US navies intervened to protect the KMT and their favored comprador, Chiang Kai Shek. They wanted to ensure another Chinese army could go back and take over from the communists eventually so they protected, funded, and armed the KMT while it prosecuted the White Terror for 40 years, killing hundreds of thousands of political dissidents and indigenous Taiwanese.

Returning Hong Kong and Taiwan to their integrated status with China is DECOLONIZATION

[–] stmcld@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No, you can't give context. China bad! /s

On a serious note, reading a while back about what happened during the opium wars was horrendous. And also finding out that South Korea was governed by murderous fascists until very fairly recently, while the US was supporting the South Korean regime was also an eye opener to me.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 10 months ago

The "governed by murderous fascists until very fairly recently" mirrors Taiwan's timeline as well.

[–] intelshill@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No one in the region considers the South China Sea to be international waters.

Everyone just disputes who's waters they should be. Don't talk about things you know nothing about.

[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Ah so you made my point anyway

[–] intelshill@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's the same concept where not even Taiwan claims they're a sovereign and independent state: they're the rightful government of all of China (including Mongolia).

[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Tibet

[–] intelshill@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Not even the British considered Tibet to be independent lol

[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

And yet the argument was never “do these places need to be independent?” But “can China be trusted with dominion over space based on how they treat international waters and their neighbors.” You will notice that i did not specify any particular action or event. But you are already here with excuses for events and actions. Hence me mentioning that you are making my argument for me. Because you did that i already know, you know i am right to not trust china, and also you have a vested interest in me not being right.