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[–] steventhedev@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago (2 children)

AP have the most comprehensive coverage of the document, which is not publicly available. Two sections in jump out to me:

“The U.S. Intelligence Community is confident in its judgment on this topic and has independently corroborated information on HAMAS and PIJ’s use of the hospital complex for a variety of purposes related to its campaign against Israel,” the assessment states. It continues that it believes the groups “used the al-Shifa hospital complex and sites beneath it to house command infrastructure, exercise certain command and control activities, store some weapons, and hold at least a few hostages.”

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The U.S. believes that Hamas members evacuated days before Israel raided the complex on Nov. 15 and that they destroyed sensitive documents and electronics before Israeli troops entered the facility.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 14 points 11 months ago (2 children)

And the source of the intelligence is probably Israel itself?

[–] steventhedev@lemmy.world -3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

From the AP article:

U.S. officials had previously pointed to classified intelligence, obtained independently from the Israelis, to offer support for Israel’s raid.

The US and UK (possibly more, I lost track at some point) have been running surveillance flights over Gaza for pretty much the entire duration of the war. There are plenty of eyes on Israel's military operations and ways to gather intelligence inside Gaza.

NYT themselves came to the conclusion that al-Shifa was used for military purposes based on Hamas' own propaganda. It's always been a question of how central it was to Hamas' operations.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

That's an editorial. And the bullet list of "evidence" is outdated or irrelevant. The existence of a tunnel means nothing. Every modern hospital in existence has tunnels or basement levels. What was happening a decade or more ago is irrelevant. To strike a protected target you must have timely, well backed, intelligence. Basically you don't do it without a smoking gun like radio direction finding their command frequency to that location, tracking movements of runners, or corroborating stories from prisoners.

Just shrugging and pointing to the terrorist label doesn't meet the requirement.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Lol, it's declassified, but not public. Do words mean nothing anymore?