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[–] Desistance@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hydrogen won't go anywhere as long as storage is a problem.

[–] Player2@sopuli.xyz 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And transportation... and production...

[–] RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] PeterPoopshit@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Gasoline also explodes. Lithium batteries also explode.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Li-ion batteries explode.

LiFePO4 batteries can't explode without the aid of some C-4. Im so tired of my boi LiFePO4 being lumped in with their explodey cousins.

[–] PeterPoopshit@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I like lifepo4 batteries. You can safely forget about them and then they don't burn your house down. They last long enough that when you finally do remember and need them for something years later, they're probably still good.

[–] RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

You ever hear about "jokes", boy?

[–] lemann@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

Both make lovely sources of power for cars and lawnmowers though 😍 just don't inhale the exhaust of the former, or the combustion of the latter 😳

[–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The reason why the Hindenburg exploded like that was because they coated the fucking thing in what is essentially thermite. They doped those things with aluminum powder mixed with nitrate.

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

This image, right or wrong, is why hydrogen cars were never going to win. The public gestalt on how they thought of them mimics this photo.

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ironically hydrogen works well as a storage solution for the variability of wind and solar. When you have a large excess of them, you can run electrolyzers to generate green hydrogen. And then when the grid needs some more supply, we can use that hydrogen to make up the gap.

[–] Hypx@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Which is basically the same problem with green transportation: A car is usually lightly used, but every once in a while you drive hundreds of miles. That requires a high capacity energy storage mechanism where "efficiency" is not that big of a concern. But that creates the need for hydrogen cars. At best, you can conceive of a plug-in hybrid car where short trips are battery powered. But then you have redundant infrastructure, and it is simpler to just to move everyone to hydrogen.

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I will also say that transport and storage of hydrogen is way better than what people are envisioning here. Full disclosure, I work for a hydrogen energy company, so I am biased, but I also have seen things in this space work well