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This is one of a series of discussion posts based on questions from the AQ-10 autism test.

5. I know how to tell if someone listening to me is getting bored.

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Is this statement true for you? Can you think of any examples? Is it an easy or difficult question for you to answer?

You can take the full AQ-10 test here. Note this test is intended as a quick screener, and cannot diagnose or rule out any condition on its own.


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This is for people that I live with.

I don't mean any lame team building exercises, but casual group activities. It could be something mundane like organizing a trip to the store together. Movie trips would also be fine as would showing something on the home projector, though I feel like there'd be more distractions and temptation at home.

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I've had problems with roommates on the spectrum that I rent out to who seem to think that they should ask for explanations of rules as a way of trying to argue. Normally I'd assume they're just trying to be jerks and look for backdoor ways of arguing or "concern trolling," but I'm open to the slim possibility that they don't actually understand or this is their way of trying to discuss it.

They also try to argue and play lawyer games when it comes to guilt. If I see a plate in their room, they're getting fined for eating in there. It doesn't matter if it was someone else because they allowed it.

It occurred to me that they might genuinely not understand what is going on.

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This is one of a series of discussion posts based on questions from the AQ-10 autism test.

4. I usually concentrate more on the whole picture, rather than the small details.

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Is this statement true for you? Can you think of any examples? Is it an easy or difficult question for you to answer?

You can take the full AQ-10 test here. Note this test is intended as a quick screener, and cannot diagnose or rule out any condition on its own.


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This is one of a series of discussion posts based on questions from the AQ-10 autism test.

3. I find it easy to "read between the lines" when someone is talking to me.

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Is this statement true for you? Can you think of any examples? Is it an easy or difficult question for you to answer?

You can take the full AQ-10 test here. Note this test is intended as a quick screener, and cannot diagnose or rule out any condition on its own.


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Article that explains differences in allistic and autistic cultures.

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This is one of a series of discussion posts based on questions from the AQ-10 autism test.

2. When I’m reading a story, I find it difficult to work out the characters’ intentions.

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Is this statement true for you? Can you think of any examples? Is it an easy or difficult question for you to answer?

You can take the full AQ-10 test here. Note this test is intended as a quick screener, and cannot diagnose or rule out any condition on its own.


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I thought the word and the definition sounded beautiful, but then I also learned that it was coined in 2017 and has been accused of imposing outside culture. Namely, here is a criticism I found on Twitter and Reddit but without further attribution or detail:

Just wanted to share and see what the community thought about it.

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I thought it could be fun/interesting to go through a ASD test question by question, and see what resonates with people, and how we approach thinking about the questions. So to start, here's question 1 of the AQ-10.


1. I often notice small sounds when others do not.

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Is this statement true for you? Can you think of any examples? Is it an easy or difficult question for you to answer?

You can find the full AQ-10 test here. Note this test is intended as a quick screener, and cannot diagnose or rule out any condition on its own.


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This is a recent video I found very interesting, discussing an idea of a link between being autistic (especially high masking) and ego death. Does the video resonate with you? What do you think?

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I'm asking this out of curiosity, and to see if there are any tools that would be beneficial to use in my day to day life.

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My doctor ordered me a pack of forms and questionnaires to request an assessment for adult autism. In amongst the medical histories and self assessments, this question stuck out;

it is important to know that not everyone who is referred to our service will have a diagnosis of autism confirmed. In the space below, tell us how you think having an autism diagnosis confirmed, or not, might impact on you and your life

What's going on here? Do you get asked this for other conditions? We're a community that typically struggles to read between the lines, so I could be way off, but this feels grudging to me. It's a question that says - what's the point of us even offering this service, and why are you so special that we should waste our time on you?

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Lately, whenever I am not working, I feel tired all the time and unmotivated to do anything. Even things I like doing. I almost have to force myself to do these things. It's quite difficult. I don't even know if it's a good idea. However, I want to get my life to a point where I am happy with how things are.

What can I do, when I still have to meet the demands of life? I'm honestly struggling a lot with getting normal daily chores and self-care tasks done. This has in part, been going on for some months now. I was previously in a job that was quite unfulfilling. Even now, I don't like what I'm doing but it is a little better. I have an idea on what I want to do in the future. But it will require a year or two, to reach properly.

In the meantime, I have to attempt to self-regulate, which is really difficult. While taking on some new challenges at the same time. Not to mention, social demands as well. I want time off from work for awhile, but I can't take it off. I will be getting time off a bit into next year. For now, I just have to put up with the demands I have to reach. Living independently has a degree of strain to it. But it's better than living with my parents.

Has anyone got any ideas on how I can manage this? I don't know how I'm going to manage my way through these things. I'm honestly dreading it.

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I'm not sure if is just me but it trully does seem that the prevalence of neurodiversity in places like this is way higher than in the average population.

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How do you guys deal with parenting? My wife had work events all weekend last week so I had to be on point 100% and then continue to all week. Now this weekend we had a girl scout hike and my wife wanted to go to a special event with me in the evening. I haven't had time for any real solitude for two weeks and am mentally/emotionally drained.

How do you guys deal with this? I feel like a bad parent/partner for not being excited for these things or feelings negative about doing them. Am I expecting too much from myself? I don't know, thanks for reading anyway.

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My partner and I were out at the store grabbing some groceries. I needed more gum but I highly prefer the gum in a plastic box, with the flip lid. Not the plastic cups with the cubed gum, but the box with the sticks. I simply cringe with paper box containers for gum because everything can get squished in my purse. Well, we ended up getting the paper boxed gum because he didn’t understand that I didn’t have an actual reason for my preference, I just don’t like the paper boxes. I’m now all flustered and crying and I look like I’m pitching a fit but I’m aware it’s my ‘tism. He is very aware that I live with autism and so I think his ignorance of it in this moment hurts me more than anything else.

Thanks for listening.

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I think my mom is getting me Samsung Buds for Christmas, I have no ability to change this in anyway, however I am also not sure of this.

I am wondering if any of you have any experience with them, and if you would mind sharing what they are like with me?

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Can anyone relate?

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Image of a screenshot of Twitter of a screenshot of Facebook.

The Facebook screenshot reads:

Fun fact about me: When I'm having a conversation with you, I will periodically bring up personal experiences from my own life, interspersed withing your own stories that you're telling me. I'm not doing this to try and make the conversation about me, or to take away from your own experience. Actually, what I'm attempting to do, is to try and show you that I do, in fact, understand what you're trying to tell me, and that I am giving your story my full attention.

It can really be off-putting to some people, so if I've ever done this to you during a conversation, I just wanted to make sure you know that I wasn't trying to take over your story, I was just doing my best to connect with you in the moment.

The screenshot of Twitter reads:

This. I am fully aware that I do this. And I feel so guilty every time, but this. Understand this.

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(this is meant as a light humor post)

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Adulting on the spectrum: A dearth of research on, and services for, autistic adults compounds social and emotional challenges

By Rachel Fairbank Date created: November 1, 2023 14 min read Vol. 54 No. 8 Print version: page 50

When it comes to what we know about the adult years for autistic people, the research is either minimal or nonexistent. “We know the most about the transition period into young adulthood,” said Gregory Wallace, PhD, an associate professor at The George Washington University, who studies life outcomes of autistic adults. “As you go into middle and older adulthood, we know almost nothing.”

Research has largely focused on understanding and diagnosing autism in children and teenagers, which has led to increased awareness, earlier diagnosis, and better treatment for children and teenagers. In a pair of new reports from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the prevalence of autism diagnoses among children has been estimated to be 1 in 36, a significant increase from previous years (Maenner, M. J., et al., MMWR Surveillance Summary, Vol. 72, No. 2, 2023). These new diagnoses reflect a more diverse group of children, including a larger proportion of autistic children without intellectual disabilities. As these children grow up, they will continue to need various forms of support throughout adulthood.

Although there has been a shortage of formal research on autism in adults, there are some general themes that are starting to emerge, both from reports by the autistic community and from the limited studies that are available. Although autistic adults face a number of significant challenges when it comes to navigating adult life, “What I’ve noticed, through the years I’ve been working with people with autism, is that they struggle at the same transition points that everyone else does,” said Valerie Gaus, PhD, a psychologist who specializes in working with autistic adults. “They just might have different specific issues.”

Some of these challenging transitions include entering college (managing a higher level of independent work than high school), entering the workforce (learning a brand new set of workplace skills), learning to live independently, finding and maintaining friendships and romantic relationships, starting and raising a family, and caring for elderly parents. Although these struggles tend to mirror those of neurotypical adults, some of the features of autism, such as sensory issues, difficulties navigating neurotypical social norms, and challenges with executive functioning, can add extra difficulties to an already challenging situation.

The service cliff

When Sam Wolfe, an autistic adult based in Texas, graduated from high school, he struggled with the transition. Wolfe, who was diagnosed in 1992 at the age of 4, was able to receive intervention services and accommodations throughout his school years. However, once he graduated from high school, the available services became minimal, an effect called the “service cliff.” The only support available to him was a state-run program that helped him find his first job at a local grocery store. But that was where the help ended.

After 10 years of working at his first job, which paid just a little bit above minimum wage, Wolfe qualified for a job program offered by another grocery store that offered additional training and paid a living wage. He’s been working there ever since, in a job that is a better fit for his particular needs, with a boss he describes as supportive. For the additional help that he needs, his family fills in the gaps, which includes living in a separate apartment attached to his mother’s house.

Wolfe’s story, where the bulk of his support needs are met by family and friends, rather than by a formal government or community service program, is very common. He’s also very lucky, as he’s been able to find a good balance, which includes full-time employment and a safe home environment. “A lot of people are relying on unpaid help from family or friends,” said Zoe Gross, the director of advocacy at the Autistic Self Advocacy Network. “There’s a lack of services available to adults.” This drop-off in services after graduating from school is one that, for many autistic adults, has a major impact on where they can live and what jobs they can do.

Compensatory strategies

In a recent study, researchers looked at social competence measures in a longitudinal cohort of 253 autistic individuals, following them from age 2 to 26. What the researchers found was that social competence measures increased with age, and higher levels of social competence were directly correlated with adult outcomes such as having a job, living independently, and maintaining relationships (Clarke, E., & Lord, C., Development and Psychopathology, 2023).

“As individuals continue to grow and develop, how autism presents, or what autism looks like in a person, really changes,” said Vanessa Bal, PhD, an associate professor of psychology at Rutgers University, whose research focuses on life outcomes in autistic adults. For many autistic adults, they will continue to learn and come up with various strategies for navigating major challenges in life. Even without formal support or training, their competence at, say, age 60, will outpace where they were at age 30, but many psychologists believe this growth could be greatly enhanced by additional research on these years. “What we really need to do is study adult life as a developmental period,” Bal said.

In Gaus’s experience, many of her older patients, a number of whom grew up without a diagnosis, have often come up with some very creative solutions for navigating the major challenges in their lives. Examples of this creativity include leveraging special interests to cultivate a career, adjusting their schedule to fit their needs, or modifying their wardrobe to account for tactile sensitivities. This creativity is often borne out of desperation, something that can exact a very high toll on the individual. But these challenges are also learning opportunities that can help pave the way for other autistic individuals. “I’m always struck by how much [a patient] has taught themselves,” Gaus said. “The first thing I do is learn about all of the tricks they have already taught themselves, and then we just build on that.”

Stress and masking

Autistic adults report a higher level of perceived stress compared with the general population, according to a study conducted by George Mason University research assistant professor Goldie McQuaid, PhD, and colleagues. The researchers surveyed 713 autistic adults whose higher levels of perceived stress compared with non-autistic adults were significantly associated with decreased independence and quality of life, such as struggling to maintain full-time employment, being unable to live independently, and suffering from issues such as anxiety and depression. Compared with autistic men, autistic women report even higher levels of stress (Autism Research, Vol, 15, No. 8, 2022).

One major stressor is handling social situations, during which many autistic adults feel pressured to participate in masking, or social camouflaging, in order to fit in. “You’re ‘passing’ in certain settings, but that can be a big psychological burden,” said Wallace, one of the authors of the paper. “The correlational evidence is very consistent, showing that masking and camouflaging are linked with poorer mental health.”

Although masking is correlated with poorer mental health, it can also be a survival mechanism, one that is very hard to stop. “Unmasking is one of the hardest things to do as an autistic person,” said Rebecca Faith Quinn, an autistic actress based in Los Angeles. “I have been trained to put on this persona of who I am for my whole life, because if I don’t, it means danger for me.”

Autistic practitioner Karissa Burnett, PhD, who specializes in therapy and assessment for neurodivergent patients, notes that for many autistic people, masking can start so early in childhood and become so ingrained, that they often reach a point where they don’t know where the masking ends and their authentic selves begin. For example, a small child might start suppressing their movements due to fears of being punished, or they might force themselves to stay quiet rather than share their unique ideas to avoid harsh reactions from their classmates or teachers, without ever consciously making the effort to do so. “A lot of it tends to be unconscious,” Burnett said.

Masking is inherently stressful for neuroatypical adults, since on some level most social interactions feel like performances where any misstep could mean ridicule or rejection. According to Burnett, “Autistic people often internalize that their natural ways of thinking and behaving are unacceptable, so they become externally focused, constantly monitoring themselves and their environment in hopes of seeming ‘normal.’” In addition to the inordinate amount of energy this process takes, masking also means there is “implicit shame about the autistic true self underneath, which is also stressful,” she emphasized.

Besides masking, other types of stress involve dealing with the stigmas associated with being “different” and navigating employment and personal finances in a society with limited services, Gross said. “Just living in the world is more stressful for autistic adults,” she explained.

Psychiatric comorbities

Autistic individuals are also at risk for psychiatric comorbidities including attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), depression, and anxiety. “Co­occurring conditions can have such a huge impact for people with autism as they transition to adulthood,” Wallace said. “Certain co-occurring conditions end up really presenting barriers and challenges to acquiring and keeping jobs.”

For autistic adults, the current and lifetime prevalence of anxiety are estimated to be 27% and 42%, respectively, while the current and lifetime prevalence rates for depression are estimated to be 23% and 37% (Hollocks, M., et al., Psychological Medicine, Vol. 49, No. 4, 2019). Autism is also highly comorbid with ADHD, with an estimated comorbidity rate of up to 70% (Federico, A., et al., Disability and Health Journal, 2023). For adults who were diagnosed as children, although they may have both disorders, they may have only one formal diagnosis because a dual diagnosis was not allowed before the publication of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (Fifth Edition) in 2013.

As Wallace notes, the old school notion of ADHD was that it was a disorder that made people unable to focus, while autism was a disorder that made them unable to stop focusing. “That was simplistic,” Wallace said. Instead, both autism and ADHD affect a person’s ability to control their focus, with the two conditions sharing a number of overlapping features. For autistic adults who also have ADHD, this presents its own challenges, which includes issues with time management, organization, and task-switching.

In terms of psychiatric comorbidities, the age of diagnosis may make a difference. Researchers found that adult-diagnosed autistic individuals reported a higher number of psychiatric diagnoses than their childhood-diagnosed counterparts (Jadav, N., & Bal, V. H., Autism Research, Vol. 15, No. 11, 2022). “Adults who were diagnosed as adults have much higher rates of co-occurring depression and anxiety,” said Bal.

Four years ago, when Burnett was finishing her PhD in clinical psychology, she was diagnosed with autism. Having been twice misdiagnosed previously, she had first-hand experience with the misconceptions surrounding what autism can look like in adults. Eventually, once Burnett found an expert who was more familiar with autism in women, she finally received a formal diagnosis, one that helped give her context for some of her major life struggles. “It was an extremely formative and powerful experience,” said Burnett, who is currently a practicing psychologist in Boston.

Although the reasons that there are more psychiatric diagnoses in autistic adults are still unclear, it is likely to be the result of multiple factors. Autistic symptoms are often misdiagnosed as other conditions or comorbid conditions develop, such as anxiety and depression, due to masking and a lack of diagnosis and treatment. “For some people, not having an explanation of how to understand themselves is really difficult,” Bal said.

Autistic burnout

In addition to these comorbidities, the stressors of navigating a world that isn’t designed for autistic individuals can have a cumulative burden. This includes an emerging concept in the research field of what is called autistic burnout, which is a combination of fatigue, exhaustion, and limited functionality. “For many of us, it is inevitable,” said Lydia Brown, a disability rights attorney and senior advisor for the Autistic Women and Nonbinary Network. “It’s very common during transitions and major life changes.”

Autistic burnout can happen for a number of reasons, including being overwhelmed at work; having difficulties with personal relationships, friendships, or romantic partnerships; or juggling the demands of raising a family. Although these transitions are tough for everyone, autism adds some extra challenges, such as heightened sensitivity to stimuli; the energy-intensive nature of social interactions; and difficulties with executive functioning, including organization, time management, and adjusting to changes in routine. “It all really takes a toll,” Burnett said.

Some of the workplace challenges can include having to deal with uncomfortable sensory stimuli, such as flickering lights or the humming of air conditioner units, the unpredictability of interacting with strangers, the unspoken rules of the workplace, or a changing schedule. “All of this is much more effortful than it would be for another employee in the situation,” said Katherine Loveland, PhD, a professor of autism research and treatment at UTHealth Houston and the founder of the C.L.A.S.S. Clinic (Changing Lives through Autism Spectrum Services), which offers diagnostic and treatment services for autistic teenagers and adults.

In a recent survey of 141 autistic adults, researchers found that autistic burnout is linked to masking and depression. Whether the burnout is caused by the masking or depression or the masking and depression are symptoms of other underlying causes is still an unanswered question (Arnold, S. R. C., et al., Autism, 2023).

Unemployment and underemployment

For many autistic adults, finding and maintaining employment can be a major issue. Compared with their non-autistic peers, autistic adults face a higher rate of unemployment, even after controlling for factors such as age, gender, health, and intellectual disability (Nord, D. K., et al., Research in Autism Spectrum Disorders, Vol. 24, 2016). For those who are employed, they are often underemployed, working fewer hours and at a lower pay than their non-autistic peers. The reasons for this can be complex and multifactorial, starting with the interviewing process, which often prioritizes an unspoken set of social expectations that autistic candidates may fail to grasp. This can lead hiring managers to unknowingly discriminate against autistic candidates who otherwise have adequate qualifications or experience.

“It can be very difficult to prove discrimination, especially in hiring,” Gross said. “It’s all about how you click socially with your interviewer,” which can lead to an autistic individual getting rejected for claims that the candidate would be a bad cultural fit or that their vibe was off. “That’s unfortunate because there are a lot of autistic people who can do the job they are interviewing for,” Gross said.

Once an autistic individual is in a job, there are additional hurdles, including asking for, and receiving, accommodations or navigating unspoken social norms of the workplace.

Barriers to mental health care For autistic adults, accessing health care, including mental health services, can be complicated by a scarcity of practitioners familiar with autism. “There are not enough psychologists trained to adequately support autistic people, particularly adults,” Bal said. Instead, many psychologists will often refer autistic adults to practitioners with expertise in autism who usually have exceptionally long waitlists.

Quinn encountered this issue when she first sought therapy. “People hear ‘autism,’ and they assume there’s no way they can understand and help me unless they’re an expert on autism,” she said. “Expecting experts to be the only people to help autistic people does a great disservice to autistic people because it means we have far fewer options than everyone else.”

Eventually, Quinn found a therapist who didn’t have experience working with autistic adults but was willing to learn. With Quinn’s permission, they have tried both dialectical behavior therapy and eye movement desensitization and reprocessing therapy, both of which Quinn has found helpful. As Quinn has also discovered, her therapist’s lack of autism expertise meant she was treated as a person rather than a stereotype. “A lot of autism experts get so focused on the autism that they forget they are looking at an autistic person,” Quinn said. “That is a very dehumanizing experience.”

For Burnett, the misconceptions she encountered during her diagnostic journey ultimately served as motivation for her as she finished up her internship and post-doctoral training. Prompted by the profound impact that an accurate diagnosis had on her own life, she opened her own neurodiversity-affirming practice called Divergent Pathways, where her goal is to offer the same care and attention she finally received. “I very much strive to validate and empower autistic adults who have been long missed,” Burnett said.

Note: I used the title the publisher used in the print version to avoid confusing community members with thinking this post was a guide for autistic adults.

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Anyway, here's the story

It's taken over 2 years and it's been a weird process overall.

I am in Canada, assessment is free here with a doctors referral.

I've been a courseware developer for over a decade now. Part of the job has been to take documents made by instructional designers and make them into courses in various learning systems. Now I only do this as a side gig as the jobs been nearly automated out of existence.

One day I was building up a course on Nerodiversity and it kind of clicked for me. I didn't actually know much about autism. Growing up it was frequently juxtaposed with down syndrome. So I didn't learn about it until my 30's

But I checked a lot of the boxes and decided I should get it checked out.

Doctor said to try CAMH. So I had to call them and explain. They initially told me it wasn't worth doing and that as long as i am employed then there is no reason for it.

I insisted. I guess you got to really want it to get it. Got told I'd be on a waiting list for 6 months. This is unless I was willing to have it done by a private organization for over $5k. I chose the free option.

6 months later got a call. They wanted to get documents such as all childhood medical documents as well as all my high-school transcripts. I let them know I wasn't able to get any of that.

6 months later they call against asking for all that and that I give contact info for a parent or guardian. I give them my moms info.

About a year later I get called again. I had pretty much assumed it wasn't going to happen so I was a little shocked. But they just wanted all the documentation again. This time they actually called me back to book an assessment. They only asked I bring a few seemingly random items from a list.

I ended up having to go to my mom's house in a differnt city. It was a remote meeting but my mom didn't know how to do one of those. I borrowed my roomates laptop since I only use a big tower.

I got up at 4am to get to my mom's place that day. She had 2 new kittens running around. We figured the dining room was the best place to set up the laptop for this.

First half hour he wanted to ask my mom questions. While she answered I could listen but wasn't allowed to talk. Her two kittens where playing with somthing under the table.

My turn. He asked me a lot of the same questions to confirm my mom's answers.

About 2 hours in the laptop says it's about to die on me despite being plugging in. Turns out the kittens ate the cord. So I asked for a short break.

Being prepared for everything. I had actually brought a spare Webcam. I had to install it on my mom's old pc and install all the right drivers and software in the 15min break.

When the meeting resumes I am a mess, sweaty, exhausted and very tired.

The second part of the assement was even more questions but more subjective then the first half. He also read a child's picture book with me. He had me describe the I images. It was somthing about flying frogs.

The last part was to take some of the random items I'd been told to bring and make a story with them. I had trouble with that, I'm imaginative but not very creative also I was dead tired.

That was it though, they said they'd call me back with results in 2 weeks. My mom sent my roomate $130 to replace the cord cord her cats ate.

3 weeks later I called them because they didn't call me back. But today and they told me I am level 1 autistic. Ironically halfway through the short video call my very reliable pc just shut off for no reason. It hasn't done that before or since. They'll be sending me some resources and an invite to a workshop of some sort.

Not sure what to do with this yet. I'm just enjoying memes for now.

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I have Atypical autism but I don't know if that is the most common type. 🤔 🤔 🤔

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I try everything I can, music, animation, art, programming, even Sports yet no one understands me!

It's so hard to live with autism, and I'm wondering how I can get help. 😩

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