Hey guys,

I am looking for a new email provider as I am still using gmail and like to get that removed finally. I am currently looking at Tuta and proton. I would be using it mainly for email and the Calendar. most other things I am self hosting but email in particular is not something I like to self host.

Proton being hosted in Switzerland and Tuta being hosted from Germany I think Proton has a edge over Tuta in that regard although I am not very familiar with both country's privacy laws.

Also how do they compare to each other regarding flexibility in creating email filters and folders. I believe proton hat some restrictions on the amount of email filters if i am not mistaken.

And lastly can you get calendar invites with these email providers? If I like the email provider i might move the business email to one of the providers as well but seeing we get like calendar invites which works fine with outlook. I dont know if this works with the email clients of proton or Tuta.

Also if their is a better email provider i am open to suggestions.

EDIT: Thanks guys! Got many great answers. i think I will get my own domain and try them out both for a while.

Follow-up to last week's story:

https://lemmy.ml/post/16672524

EDIT1: Politicians expect to be be exempt.

EDIT2: Good news: Vote has been postponed due to disagreements.

What you can do: https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/messaging-and-chat-control/#WhatYouCanDo

Contact your MEP: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/home

Edit: Article linked is from 2002 (overview of why this legislation is bad), but it is coming up for a vote on the 19th see https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/council-to-greenlight-chat-control-take-action-now/

I can't seem to find an actual currency estimate of how much privacy is actually worth. I see a ton of articles talking about why privacy should be worth more to people or what people would pay for privacy services or how much people would sell their privacy for, but I don't see anything that gives a value for the privacy industrial complex, so to speak. Like if you take every company and non-profit and everything else and throw it all together, how much is the privacy industry actually worth?

Edit: It's worth at least $2.8 billion US dollars because that is the market cap on average of the privacy-focused cryptocurrency Monero.

Edit 2: If you put Monero, Zcash, and Dash together, you come up with $3.4 billion US dollars.

Edit 3: All the above plus Signal, Proton and EFF bring it up to 3.5 billion.

Due to the recent announcement of Proton moving to a non-profit structure (although not becoming fully non-profit) I've decided to take another look at them and really, Proton Unlimited is an enticing offer. However, the fact of everything from mail, to accounts, to storage being in one place is somewhat disconcerting. Also I recall them being decent, but not particularly outstanding at refusing to provide data to outside sources, there was a situation a while back where they handed over information of a climate activist.

To be fair, mail is insecure by default and if you're going so far as to write to another Protonmail user you might as well use something actually secure and I am not exactly planning on breaking the law so I'm not too worried about data being handed over to authorities, yet it still leaves a bitter taste in my mouth and with the state of politics where I live there certainly is a concern that, being queer, I should also be a bit weary of governing bodies as well, as laws may change in the future.

Basically, by switching to Proton I'd be putting a lot of trust in them, instead of splitting it up between things like Mullvad, Bitwarden, etc. and besides a password manager (and to some extent my email provider), while dramatic, a single failure at any point wouldn't be a total disaster. Are they trustworthy enough for the convenience benefits to be worth it to any of you?

https://www.techradar.com/computing/software/sonos-updates-its-privacy-policy-and-seemingly-hints-theyll-begin-selling-user-data

What are your thoughts on filen? I don't seem to be able to find a community for them here, but it seems like a pretty solid up and coming company for secure cloud storage options.

I've seen on TrackerControl this system app (on my grapheneOS) contacting Amazon (amazon.com) and Google (android.clients.google.com, m.youtube.com, play.google.com and www.youtube.com).

What does this app do? I've disabled internet access for the time being.

His post: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/17400082

Real question. I would like to know what drives you to hate Apple? (In terms of privacy of course because in terms of price it’s another story).

I heard about silent.link but I want to know if I should trust it.

It claims to be an anonymous e-sim provider.

Let's say it is legit and not backdoored by the government and not a honey pot, would the government be able to find out that I own the anonymous e-sim on it if my other sim in my phone is another provider not silent-link. Like how on android you can use a sim for data and a sim for calls.

Also do you guys think the us government will put peoples name on a list from having silentlink?

The whole thing sounds too good to be a true a anonymous e-sim so let me know what you guys the privacy community think.

I was researching WebMail providers, and noticed that most WebMail providers recommended in privacy communities are labelled as proprietary by AlternativeTo.

I made a list of WebMail providers, private or not, to see which ones were actually open source:

Proprietary

AOL Mail: Free

Cock.li: Free

CounterMail: Paid

Fastmail: Paid

GMX Mail: Free

Gmail: Free

HEY Email: Paid

Hushmail: Paid

iCloud Mail: Free

Mail.com: Free

Mailbox.org: Paid

Mailfence: Freemium

Outlook.com: Freemium

Posteo: Paid

Rediffmail: Paid

Riseup: Free

Runbox: Paid

Soverin: Paid

StartMail: Paid

Yahoo! Mail: Freemium

Yandex Mail: Freemium

Zoho Mail: Freemium

Open source

Criptext: Free

Disroot: Free

Forward Email: Freemium

Infomaniak kMail: Freemium

Kolab Now: Paid

Lavabit: Paid

~~Mailpile: Free~~

Proton Mail: Freemium

~~Roundcube: Free~~

Skiff/Notion: Freemium

Tuta: Freemium

Unless I'm missing something, it seems like people overlook this when deciding on WebMail providers. Is it a distinction between a proprietary backend server and a proprietary app, or is there a different way to decide if a WebMail provider is proprietary vs. open source? Lavabit was labelled proprietary by AlternativeTo, but open source by Wikipedia.

Note

If I have labelled an open source WebMail provider as proprietary by mistake, please provide evidence by linking to the source code, and I will happily change it.

I've recently heard about their services, and others like them, and wanted to know what privacy-focused people thought about them, what experiences they may have had, and whether this was recommended for people who have a footprint they want scrubbing (even if only in part) or not?

• The live app
• Introducing the app
• Docs
• GitHub
• Reddit community

Id like to introduce you to a decentralized chat app that works purely in the browser. Breaking away from traditional solutions that require registration and installation.

A decentralized infrastructure has many unique challenges and this is a unique approach. Ive taken previsous feedback and made updates. Its important to note, it is still a work-in-progress and provided for testing/review/feedback purposes. it would be great if you can tell me what you think.

Some of the features of the app include:

• Free
• Decentralised
• No cookies
• P2P encrypted
• No registration
• No installing
• Group messaging
• Text messaging
• Multimedia messaging
• Offline messaging (LAN/hotspot)
• File transfer
• Video calls
• Data-ownership
• Selfhosted (optional)
• Screensharing (on desktop browsers)
• OS notifications (where supported)

With no registration or installation required, its easy to get started.

Both are interesting choice, which one do you choose?

• Note: "relay" is the nostr term while "instance" is the AP/Mastodon/Lemmy term. They are functionally very similar and offer the same abilities to ban annoying users from "public square" type spaces. Moderation works identically.
• In AP/mastodon/lemmy you are connected to one "main instance" and then connect to other instances "through" that instance. In nostr, you are typically connected to multiple relays and access content more directly.
• Nostr is an underlying protocol like AP is for Mastodon/Lemmy. The main use of nostr currently is as a twitter/mastodon clone, but it has other interfaces as well (calendaring, video sharing, etc) that I am less familiar with.
• Both networks are decentralized in nature

AP/Mastodon/Lemmy

• Instance admins on your instance and the instance of the user you are DMing can read your DMs, block them, or modify them without your knowledge or the knowledge of the receiving user
• If your instance goes down, so does your access to the wider network. It will take your DMs with it, and your identity.

Nostr

• Relays cannot read the content of your DMs as they are encrypted. They can only see that user A is DMing user B and approximate DM size. (This upgrade reduces that visibility further)
• Relays cannot manipulate DMs as they are encrypted and will fail a signature check
• No relay can prevent you from DMing another user as your client will automatically route the DM through another relay (unless that user has blocked you, which they can do).
• You can receive DMs from anybody as long as one relay lets your DM through (and you are usually connected to several)
• Your DMs and other content is replicated across multiple relays. Downed relay? No problem. You don't lose your content or your identity as your identity is a private/public keypair not "user @ instance dot com"

Bluesky

Idk anybody care to fill this section in?

Image source: nostr post