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Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) said the U.S. Intelligence Community should “dumb down” briefings for former President Trump when he receives classified information as the eventual GOP nominee, voicing concerns about whether Trump could share the information.

Schiff hit Trump on his criminal charges for mishandling classified information and other legal cases in an NBC “Meet the Press” interview Sunday.

“We’ve never had a situation where one of the candidates for president has been so criminally negligent when it comes to handling — if not worse — classified information,” Schiff said. “So I have to hope, and knowing the Intelligence Community as I do, that they will dumb down the briefing for Donald Trump.”

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[–] chase_what_matters@lemmy.world 154 points 8 months ago (3 children)

It’s just incredible that the guy is in a legal battle about mishandling intelligence materials, and we’re even talking about giving him access to more of them. This country is absolute brain rot.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 58 points 8 months ago (1 children)

A regular citizen would be immediately rejected for even the lowest security clearance with his history and debt. He's shown he doesn't care to protect classified information and has every reason to try to barter it for money. He's got all kinds of massive debt to foreign entities and has a pressing need to secure more funding, likely from foreign entities because US entities don't trust him with their money.

[–] takeda@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago (1 children)

We have regular citizen Jack Teixeira getting 16 years and many say he got off easy.

[–] Zron@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

If trump posted classified documents to thug shaker central, do you think he’d already be in prison?

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 9 points 8 months ago

He's already tweeted classified images, so we don't need to speculate, the answer is no.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

Something something corruption money

[–] harderian729@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

This country is absolute brain rot.

Yes, I have given up trying.

The ruling class succeeded in making the masses squabble over dumb shit, so I just checked out.

Every time I tried to get people to see the bigger picture, I was met with derision and ostracization.

Ya'll wanna squabble over dumb shit? Go right ahead. You just won't have me helping you.

[–] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 67 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Do. Not. Brief. trump.

He’s a massive security risk.

[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Biden already said he would when he officially becomes the nominee. It's fucking insane.

[–] CosmicTurtle@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago

Unless it's a law, Trump shouldn't receive any security briefings until he's sitting in the office.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm always entertained by randos on message boards who think they can will things into existence by posting. in. staccato. tone.

[–] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It’s just for added emphasis, and it’s less obnoxious than all caps. Exclamation points aren’t good enough!

[–] TheJims@lemmy.world 42 points 8 months ago

“Mishandling” he fucking stole them and refused to return them while lying about everything and trying to cover it up. Now he’s trying to claim immunity as if he’s some kind of an infallible deity.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 31 points 8 months ago

I hope they lie to him outright, see who he sells it to. You know he can’t resist.

[–] thesporkeffect@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Rather have Katie Porter:(

[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 6 points 8 months ago

I would have preferred Porter by far. But I was expecting Schiff to win and figured it was OK. Then, the way he ran the primary, I've lost so fucking much respect for the guy.

[–] harderian729@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago

Can't have people who legitimately challenge the ruling class.

That's why even after Hillary lost to Trump, the democrats just pivoted to Biden.

This species is fucked because we want it to be. We're too weak/stupid/greedy/corrupt to do the hard work to fix the problems we've caused.

[–] maculata@aussie.zone 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

They shouldn’t give him anything. Maybe some colouring books for her s assistant to do while he directs.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Alternatively, they should give him lots of nonspecific information about their investigations into him - make him paranoid as fuck.

[–] maculata@aussie.zone 1 points 8 months ago

I reckon anyone as VP would be better qualified than him to handle… pretty much anything.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Is briefing presidential candidates the law, i.e. is this codifies somewhere, or is it just a thing of convenience?

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 7 points 8 months ago

Would be a good idea to start breaking precedent for once.

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What, why? Are candidates briefed on national security matters before winning the election? Does this apply to rfk and the others? Seems like a terrible idea. What if an independent with foreign leanings went up to the general?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago

Does this apply to rfk and the others?

Being a nominee of the major party gives you special privileges.

[–] harderian729@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Why do nominees get classified information?

[–] plz1@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Transition planning, essentially. The intent is to smooth the transition of whomever wins, sooner, so they both get it.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Should be noted that most party leaders are already high ranking political officials - Senators or Governors - who routinely get briefs on security concerns at some level.

Trump's an exception largely because he's only ever won an election once. If he'd been a House Rep or Senator, particularly one with a seat on the Intelligence Committee, then he'd already be juggling documents like this daily. If he was a state governor, he'd have his own gubernatorial police and intelligence services to manage.

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 6 points 8 months ago

I think they should just provide him with the briefs. As brief as possible. We already have four years on the record to show that he can’t understand them anyway and gets his friends in China and Russia to help him figure out what they mean.

[–] doingthestuff@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I understand where he's coming from but this sounds like actively planning to fail to meet their obligation to brief the presidential nominee. That's not a great precedent to set, the tables could be turned in the future.

[–] AnarchoSnowPlow@midwest.social 23 points 8 months ago

The "normal" government machine is broken. Attempting to rely on long established norms as guardrails is not something that will turn out well. "The tables could be turned" is not an argument that applies to the current state of US politics.

The Republican party literally told the Obama white house that they wouldn't even hold a hearing for his supreme Court nominee (Garland March of 2016) "because the American people needed to weigh in since it was an election year." Which many people properly identified as complete and utter bullshit.

Then Republicans went from a nomination on September 29th, 2020, to a confirmation on October 26th, 2020, of Amy Coney Barret, who I'm sure is eminently qualified for the position.

Less than a month.

The Supreme Court is effectively meaningless as an institution attempting to maintain a facade of impartiality.

The "system" as it once existed is gone now. Republicans have been waging a war on public institutions for decades and they've won. It's over.

Attempting to continue to play by the old rules doesn't do anything but multiply the effectiveness of the grift.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 5 points 8 months ago

That's not an obligation, it's a tradition, and someone with his history and debts would never be given classified information. If he wins it's inescapable, but you don't need to just blindly follow tradition when the dangers are obvious.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 2 points 8 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) said the U.S. Intelligence Community should “dumb down” briefings for former President Trump when he receives classified information as the eventual GOP nominee, voicing concerns about whether Trump could share the information.

Schiff hit Trump on his criminal charges for mishandling classified information and other legal cases in an NBC “Meet the Press” interview Sunday.

“We’ve never had a situation where one of the candidates for president has been so criminally negligent when it comes to handling — if not worse — classified information,” Schiff said.

“So I have to hope, and knowing the Intelligence Community as I do, that they will dumb down the briefing for Donald Trump.”

Trump’s federal criminal case in Florida alleges that he took boxes of classified documents from the White House with him to his South Florida home and misled federal investigators when they came looking for them.

Schiff, who is running for Senate in California and was a major figure in the former president’s impeachment, said giving Trump access to information concerns him.


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