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[–] Minotaur@lemm.ee 99 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (39 children)

Yeah Ngl, very good state of the union. I wish more people would actually… watch them.

I’ve got so many friends (mostly white guys in their 20s & 30s) who spend so much of their time huffing and puffing about how politics is this inherently broken system and how no one wants what they want (more taxes on the wealthy, more affordable housing, maybe some kind of work on the border).

Then you got at least one politician who rolls down the line saying all of those issues and absolutely no one watches it because they’re all doing the same “he can’t talk!!!” Joke.

Like I’m not saying Joe Biden is the perfect candidate or even that anyone in particular should vote for him, but it is frustrating to see how many people are willingly ignorant

[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 26 points 8 months ago

I wish more people would actually… watch them.

I agree but, to be fair, this is the first SOTU I remember in a long time that wasn't written to be sound bytes in between platitudes.

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[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 90 points 8 months ago (1 children)

To be honest that was probably one of the best state of the union addresses i've ever seen. He showed he was mentally sharp and also willing to punch back at those who punch at him. That speech just might have won him the presidency again.

[–] alilbee@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago

I sure hope so, but the SotU has pretty minimal impacts on approval, historically. Clinton got a bump of ~10 points in 98, but otherwise it's been less than 5 points in the last 30 years. It was a fantastic speech though, and we are in a unique situation with the age dilemma. Here's to hoping!

[–] MossBear@lemmy.world 68 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I see people say they're not big on Biden, but I'm not really sure why. At least not in the big strokes. He's been remarkably effective in getting good policy passed despite the situation in congress. I get being unhappy about certain particulars, but I think he's the best president I've voted for in my lifetime and it's an easy yes to vote for him again.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 34 points 8 months ago (7 children)

I'll vote for him but the DNC is taking unnecessary risks by not encouraging young progressives from taking the main stage who might drum up actual enthusiasm. Biden may be in favor of climate action and worker's rights but those have never been his top priority.

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[–] 4am@lemm.ee 14 points 8 months ago

I had a grudge against him for things he did as a senator. Crime bill. RAVE Act. Just kind of legislated regressively and rubbed me the wrong way. Typical steely-eyed missile man wannabe, Corvette-and-aviators, neoliberal reactionary. You know, a privileged know it all. Seemed like the kinda guy who might tell a depressed person “Just try not being sad, Jack.” Not that I thought he intended to be a jerk, just maybe thought a bit too much of himself. Overconfident American white man privilege.

Granted, he’s done pretty well to stop the bleeding from the last guy, and it certainly the better alternative now that it’s gonna be a rematch.

Needs to take off his blinders on Israel though. Whether he just didn’t know what was really happening over there or he knew and intended on being a steadfast ally regardless (cmon, he knew) the word is out, Jack. That’s not the kind of Dark Brandon we should have to accept, regardless of the alternative.

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[–] Blackout@kbin.run 68 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Just compare it to one of Trump's incoherent rambling Sotu addresses. Talk about mental deterioration. Biden can at least be professional and clear with his words.

[–] FunderPants@lemmy.ca 55 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I mean, we knew well before Trumps sotu. Remember this

"Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you're a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are — nuclear is so powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what's going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what's going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it's all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don't, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us, this is horrible."

[–] strawberry@kbin.run 21 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

I don't think I read a single coherent sentence in there

Donnie is not doing well lol

[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago

I mean this speech is from years ago. He's gotten worse, it sounds like.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

He's literally demented. He's literally a demented rapist.

[–] strawberry@kbin.run 5 points 8 months ago

but people will still vote for daddy Donnie

[–] NotAtWork@startrek.website 8 points 8 months ago

And he's had half a decade to get worse since then.

[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

In fairness, you did read a single sentence, because that whole ramble was just one. But it was definitely incoherent.

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[–] phreekno@lemmy.world 54 points 8 months ago (8 children)

For over an hour on Thursday night, during the State of the Union address, President Joe Biden energetically presented a vibrant progressive agenda and repeatedly stuck it to Donald Trump. Yes, there were stumbles and linguistic slips, but Biden portrayed a vigor at odds with the caricatures that are constantly promoted by Trump and Biden detractors in the conservative media. Caricatures focusing on his age are then bolstered by seemingly endless coverage by the mainstream media. The president was aggressive from the git-go; Dark Brandon was in the room.

Biden opened strong, calling for congressional support for Ukraine and slamming “my predecessor” for bowing before Russian President Vladimir Putin and telling him to “do whatever the hell you want.” Biden then vowed, “I will not bow down.” Tying the fight against Russia in Ukraine to the battle to protect democracy in the United States, Biden pivoted to the Trump-incited insurrectionist riot on January 6, 2021, which occurred in the same room in which he was speaking. Staring at the Republicans present, Biden proclaimed, “My predecessor and some of you here seek to bury the truth of January 6th.” He called on all in the chamber to say no to political violence. Democrats stood up and cheered; Republicans sat on their hands. Sitting behind the president, House Speaker Mike Johnson rolled his eyes.

In these opening minutes, Biden cornered the Trumpists: They were foes of democracy abroad and at home, a theme he returned to throughout the speech, as he relentlessly pounded “my predecessor.” MP “brags” about killing Roe v. Wade. MP, and “many of you in this chamber,” are “promising” to pass an abortion ban. During the Covid pandemic, MP “failed the most basic duty…the duty to care.” MP wants to end the Affordable Care Act and take away coverage for pre-existing conditions for a hundred million Americans. MP torpedoed the bipartisan immigration bill that included proposals from conservatives to bolster security at the border. MP did nothing on gun safety and after a recent school shooting in Iowa said that we should “get over it” and move forward.

Biden didn’t merely highlight the differences between himself and King MAGA and his comrades, he shoved it in their faces. After the speech, while delivering a predictably hyperbolic and fear-mongering GOP response, Sen. Katie Britt (R-Ala.) derided Biden as a “dithering and diminished leader.” Had she not watched him? Biden’s blistering assault on Trump was vigorous and fierce. When he was heckled by Republicans, he shot back sharp one-liners. (“Oh, you don’t like that bill?” he jeered at Republicans who booed his remarks about the immigration bill that was negotiated by Republicans and then killed by Trump loyalists.)

Biden still looks and moves like he’s 81 years old, but he was engaged and engaging, bantering with and goading the Republicans. Biden talked policy details like a pro. He was far more cogent than Trump ever is during his rambling rants at campaign rallies.

As expected, Biden highlighted positive economic indicators and cited a long list of his accomplishments: the infrastructure bill and the 46,000 new projects it has generated (including removing lead pipes and bringing broadband to rural communities), the CHIPS Act, the revival of manufacturing, reducing the price of insulin, tax credits that lower the costs of health care premiums, $12 billion in funding for women’s health research, a reduction the student debt burden for millions, cutting credit card fees, and a wide variety of climate change initiatives.

The speech also featured a lengthy wish list of progressive proposals: ending Trump’s tax cuts for the wealthy, lowering the price of prescription drugs and capping the annual costs of such medicines, tax credits for first-time home buyers, increasing affordable housing, establishing universal access to pre-school, increasing Pell grants, raising taxes on billionaires and corporations, upping pay for public school teachers, boosting the minimum wage, enhancing voter rights, protecting transgender rights, banning assault weapons. (There was plenty more!)

Recognizing the rift within the Democratic party over his support of Israel, Biden noted the horrific loss of life in Gaza and told the Israeli government that “humanitarian assistance cannot be a secondary consideration or a bargaining chip. Protecting and saving innocent lives has to be a priority.” The US military, he said, would lead an emergency mission to establish a temporary pier in the Mediterranean on the Gaza coast that can receive large ships carrying food, water, medicine, and temporary shelters for Palestinians. Meanwhile, he vowed to keep working for a ceasefire that would include a return of the Israeli hostages held by Hamas. “The only real solution is a two-state solution over time,” he declared, a position at odds with that of the current Israeli government. This is unlikely to calm the protests against him for supporting Israel’s assault in Gaza, but he highlighted the horrendous civilian casualties in Gaza more than he has done in the past.

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[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 36 points 8 months ago (11 children)

I was worried he’d fuck it up but Biden killed it last night.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 26 points 8 months ago (2 children)

President Biden spoke to Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-NY) after the State of the Union address:

NADLER: Nobody’s gonna talk about cognitively impaired now!

BIDEN: I kinda wish sometimes I was cognitively impaired.

[–] odelik@lemmy.today 24 points 8 months ago (2 children)

That's because the anti-Biden propaganda coming from Russian bots & alt-right astro-turfing is effective.

The astro-turfers are everywhere (including the fediverse) , and a ton of them present themselves as "concern trolls" since it's a little harder to identify them that way.

[–] vonbaronhans@midwest.social 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I recently asked a "I'll never vote for Biden" person here on Lemmy why, what goal does that accomplish? And boy oh boy, their answers were flacid, goal-post-shifting non-sequiturs. I never replied but someone else took up the torch, and I've never seen a conversation more like 2015 gamergate anti-feminists. Just garbage after distraction after red herring.

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[–] Today@lemmy.world 31 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The rebuttal was so bad!! It was like a kid in a play trying to express every emotion. Completely out of touch!

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 40 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Katie Britt says sexual assault is the worst thing that can happen to a woman while encouraging Americans to vote for a convicted sexual predator.

[–] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 8 months ago

And passing laws that would force her to give birth to a rapist’s baby.

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 29 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Dark Brandon was in the room

😬

[–] OpenStars@startrek.website 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Let's go Brandon! (have we reclaimed that yet? surely we plan to, I would think? well anyway it works in this highly specific case:-D)

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

We don't need to reclaim it. Dark Brandon kicked the malarkey out of it, man.

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[–] Theprogressivist@lemmy.world 26 points 8 months ago

I'm not big on Biden, but man, that was a good speech.

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 24 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Marjory traitor goon needs to be muzzled during these kind of events.

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (6 children)

She should’ve been asked to take the MAGA hat off or GTFO.

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[–] phreekno@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago (3 children)

More pro Biden than I would like of mother jones but a good read. I will have to watch the actual State of Union today. Tell me what you think about his address? Personally I like the Dark Brandon caricature lol

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