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[–] vikinghoarder@infosec.pub 1 points 2 years ago (18 children)

Why do Palestinians and Israelites hate each other?

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Hmm, why would Palestinians hate European settlers that stole their land via the imperial edict of Britain? 🙄

[–] blterrible@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

"European settlers" in the sense that they hadn't been in Israel since the Romans kicked them out in '65 for causing too much trouble with all their messiahs and religious zealotry.

[–] probablyaCat@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The Jews are the most despicable and contemptible nation to crawl upon the face of the Earth, because they have displayed hostility to Allah.

Allah will kill the Jews in the hell of the world to come, just like they killed the believers in the hell of this world.

-- Atallah Abu Al-Subh, former Hamas minister of culture

Palestine is Islamic, and not an Islamic emirate, from the river to the sea, that unites the Palestinians. Jews have no right in it, with the exception of those who lived on the land of Palestine before World War I.

This is Islam, that was ahead of its time with regards to human rights in the treatment of prisoners, but our nation was tested by the cancerous lump, that is the Jews, in the heart of the Arab nation... Be certain that America is on its way to utter destruction, America is wallowing [in blood] today in Iraq and Afghanistan, America is defeated and Israel is defeated, and was defeated in Lebanon and Palestine... Make us victorious over the community of infidels... Allah, take the Jews and their allies, Allah, take the Americans and their allies... Allah, annihilate them completely and do not leave anyone of them.

--Sheikh Dr. Ahmad Bahar, acting Speaker of the Palestinian Legislative Council

By God, we will not leave one Jew in Palestine. We will fight them with all the strength we have. This is our land, not the Jews...

-- Abdel Aziz Rantisi, Hamas leader

The Jews: killed the prophets…slaughtered the innocent…imprisoned our pious... NO PEACE WITH THE MURDERERS.

Let everyone know that Hamas... is only against Jews and those twisted in their manner... it realizes the Jews' methods in trying to cause hostility and friction between people...

We should lend punches to the Jews wherever possible [to commemorate Muhammad's defeat of one of the Jewish tribes of Arabia].

--Hamas communiqué

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (12 children)

2000 years!

They hadn't ever been in Israel, they were born and raised in Europe by parents that were born and raised in Europe by grandparents that were born and raise in Europe etc. etc. They were Europeans, complete with white skin and European culture and European language.

This wasn't refugees returning to their home. It was settlers invading nonwhite people's land and stealing it for themselves.

[–] dannoffs@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 2 years ago

The only Israeli citizen I know was born in Scottsdale, Arizona.

[–] Hyperreality@kbin.social -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

A third of Israelis are (family of) refugees/emigrants from the middle-east or north Africa.

It's not a 'white european' country, which you'd know just looking at them.

Imposing simplistic American notions of race on a complicated conflict is stupid and embarrassing.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Yeah, now. That's because they imported Jews from everywhere they could to become Israeli. It started as a European settler project.

But if you look at the positions of power, the government and businesses and celebrities, you'll see mostly white faces. Israel definitely has a white supremacist bent to it - you don't think an Ethiopian Jew will ever be the prime minister do you?

America's white majority is going to disappear too, but you don't think that will actually end American white supremacy right?

[–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Out of interest, would you describe Romani people (pejorative 'gypsy') as being white?

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If they were given their own settler colony and started being treated as an equal by all the other white countries? Yes.

I wouldn't consider a European Jew before the formation of Israel to be white, but they're sure as fuck white now.

[–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

If someone of white European heritage burns down a synagogue frequented by what you consider people of white European heritage, would you still consider that racist given they're the same race? Or would you consider that less racist than someone burning down a church frequented by black people?

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 years ago

It is almost like Jewish people have a conditional relationship with whiteness. The idf soldiers bombing children's hospitals certainly are capital W White.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 years ago

If someone of white European heritage burns down a synagogue frequented by what you consider people of white European heritage, would you still consider that racist given they’re the same race?

Individual people can be racist in all sorts of kooky ways, like there's certainty individuals racist against white Irish people and against white people from Mediterranean countries. So, yeah, it's possible for a kooky individual to be racist against Jewish white people.

But that's not reflective of society, of systems of social or political power, or of the current cultural epoch. That's just a freak.

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[–] RubberStuntBaby@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

And Israelis hate Palestinians because, in their desperation Palestinians turned to terrorism, also Palestinians are in their way.

[–] library_napper@monyet.cc -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Usually it's oil. But this time it's airable land and water.

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[–] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago
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