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[–] vikinghoarder@infosec.pub 1 points 1 year ago (18 children)

Why do Palestinians and Israelites hate each other?

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hmm, why would Palestinians hate European settlers that stole their land via the imperial edict of Britain? 🙄

[–] blterrible@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

"European settlers" in the sense that they hadn't been in Israel since the Romans kicked them out in '65 for causing too much trouble with all their messiahs and religious zealotry.

[–] probablyaCat@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Jews are the most despicable and contemptible nation to crawl upon the face of the Earth, because they have displayed hostility to Allah.

Allah will kill the Jews in the hell of the world to come, just like they killed the believers in the hell of this world.

-- Atallah Abu Al-Subh, former Hamas minister of culture

Palestine is Islamic, and not an Islamic emirate, from the river to the sea, that unites the Palestinians. Jews have no right in it, with the exception of those who lived on the land of Palestine before World War I.

This is Islam, that was ahead of its time with regards to human rights in the treatment of prisoners, but our nation was tested by the cancerous lump, that is the Jews, in the heart of the Arab nation... Be certain that America is on its way to utter destruction, America is wallowing [in blood] today in Iraq and Afghanistan, America is defeated and Israel is defeated, and was defeated in Lebanon and Palestine... Make us victorious over the community of infidels... Allah, take the Jews and their allies, Allah, take the Americans and their allies... Allah, annihilate them completely and do not leave anyone of them.

--Sheikh Dr. Ahmad Bahar, acting Speaker of the Palestinian Legislative Council

By God, we will not leave one Jew in Palestine. We will fight them with all the strength we have. This is our land, not the Jews...

-- Abdel Aziz Rantisi, Hamas leader

The Jews: killed the prophets…slaughtered the innocent…imprisoned our pious... NO PEACE WITH THE MURDERERS.

Let everyone know that Hamas... is only against Jews and those twisted in their manner... it realizes the Jews' methods in trying to cause hostility and friction between people...

We should lend punches to the Jews wherever possible [to commemorate Muhammad's defeat of one of the Jewish tribes of Arabia].

--Hamas communiqué

[–] porcupine@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Individual people having backwards views stemming from generations of impoverishment doesn't justify imprisoning and exterminating an entire indigenous population. That population has an unconditional right to resist their colonization using whatever means are available to them.

I'm stating a moral position here, not trying to argue with you, because you don't actually care about some unique technical specifics in this one situation. You'd be saying the same thing about "this civil rights leader said all white people or bad", or "that escaped slave hurt that poor white family", or "those Indian savages beheaded 100 settler babies" as though any of that justified the generations of colonial extraction that you benefit from. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children)

2000 years!

They hadn't ever been in Israel, they were born and raised in Europe by parents that were born and raised in Europe by grandparents that were born and raise in Europe etc. etc. They were Europeans, complete with white skin and European culture and European language.

This wasn't refugees returning to their home. It was settlers invading nonwhite people's land and stealing it for themselves.

[–] dannoffs@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago

The only Israeli citizen I know was born in Scottsdale, Arizona.

[–] Hyperreality@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A third of Israelis are (family of) refugees/emigrants from the middle-east or north Africa.

It's not a 'white european' country, which you'd know just looking at them.

Imposing simplistic American notions of race on a complicated conflict is stupid and embarrassing.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Yeah, now. That's because they imported Jews from everywhere they could to become Israeli. It started as a European settler project.

But if you look at the positions of power, the government and businesses and celebrities, you'll see mostly white faces. Israel definitely has a white supremacist bent to it - you don't think an Ethiopian Jew will ever be the prime minister do you?

America's white majority is going to disappear too, but you don't think that will actually end American white supremacy right?

[–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Out of interest, would you describe Romani people (pejorative 'gypsy') as being white?

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If they were given their own settler colony and started being treated as an equal by all the other white countries? Yes.

I wouldn't consider a European Jew before the formation of Israel to be white, but they're sure as fuck white now.

[–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If someone of white European heritage burns down a synagogue frequented by what you consider people of white European heritage, would you still consider that racist given they're the same race? Or would you consider that less racist than someone burning down a church frequented by black people?

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago

If someone of white European heritage burns down a synagogue frequented by what you consider people of white European heritage, would you still consider that racist given they’re the same race?

Individual people can be racist in all sorts of kooky ways, like there's certainty individuals racist against white Irish people and against white people from Mediterranean countries. So, yeah, it's possible for a kooky individual to be racist against Jewish white people.

But that's not reflective of society, of systems of social or political power, or of the current cultural epoch. That's just a freak.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago

It is almost like Jewish people have a conditional relationship with whiteness. The idf soldiers bombing children's hospitals certainly are capital W White.

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[–] RubberStuntBaby@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

And Israelis hate Palestinians because, in their desperation Palestinians turned to terrorism, also Palestinians are in their way.

[–] library_napper@monyet.cc -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Usually it's oil. But this time it's airable land and water.

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[–] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago
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