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New documents filed Monday, February 26 reveal that videogame giant Nintendo is taking action against the creators of the popular emulator tool Yuzu.

The copyright infringement filing, from Nintendo of America, states that the Yuzu tool (from developer Tropic Haze LLC) illegally circumvents the software encryption and copyright protection systems of Nintendo Switch titles, and thus facilitates piracy and infringes copyright under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA).

Nintendo alleges that Tropic Haze's free Yuzu emulator tool unlawfully allows pirated Switch games to be played on PCs and other devices, bypassing Nintendo's protection measures.

The official Yuzu website suggests that the tool is to be used with software you yourself own: "You are legally required to dump your games from your Nintendo Switch" — but it's common knowledge, that this is not how these tools are primarily used.

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[–] Macaroni_ninja@lemmy.world 126 points 8 months ago (2 children)

They should go one step further and ban the programming language as well the emulator was created in. That will show them!

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 51 points 8 months ago (2 children)
[–] Wootz@lemmy.world 35 points 8 months ago (3 children)

What about a technology permit, so you're only allowed to develop technologized products if you get a permit from the Ministry of Proprietary Technology.

[–] sneezycat@sopuli.xyz 17 points 8 months ago

Great idea comrade, glory to Arstotzka!

[–] UmbraTemporis@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 8 months ago

Big Brother is developing

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[–] nivenkos@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago

The EU's AI Act isn't far from this really. Regulating the development of AI so much, it'd be like if they regulated compilers to stop GNU back in the day.

[–] JustUseMint@lemmy.world 63 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Thanks for the Streisand effect Nintendo. Hadn't even heard of this until now. Now I'm downloading everything, and I'll be donating to the devs if possible. And telling my friends to do the same. I will continue not giving you money for over 10 years now.

Eat shit.

[–] u_tamtam@programming.dev 20 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I agree with the sentiment and everything, but the whole gaming console industry has gone to crap after they started putting hard drives/storage in them with the goal of needing you to be online and not owning anything anymore. They are all equally despicable for that. Which makes emulation even more essential, just for preserving those games into the future when the online front will inexorably shut down.

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[–] ArtVandelay@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I can't boast of your 10-year track record, but my next 10 years started today. I canceled my Nintendo online and I'm selling my switch. Fuck Nintendo

[–] JustUseMint@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

The best time to boycott those pricks was 15 years ago. The next best time is today.

[–] clmbmb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 58 points 8 months ago (2 children)

This is why I will never buy a Nintendo console. I'm about to buy a Steam Deck... call me biased.

[–] IllNess@infosec.pub 34 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Download Yuzu now, sideload later. Just in case.

[–] AbsurdityAccelerator@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's an open source project. It's always going to be out there. I am gonna go fork the repo just for the hell of it right now.

[–] IllNess@infosec.pub 8 points 8 months ago (2 children)

If Nintendo wins, the Github page and the website page will probably shutdown.

Forking it now is a good idea.

[–] ArtVandelay@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It will be forked to a thousand other platforms, including private git repositories hosted locally. That cat is out of the bag and fortunately there's not a damn thing they can do about it

[–] synae@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 8 months ago

Forking it now is a good idea.

Specifically, to a different repo hosting provider, or a server you control

[–] AnarchoCummunist@hexbear.net 10 points 8 months ago

Go with Ryujinx. It's a bit more accurate and works with a few more titles Yuzu may have issues with.

A lot of Yuzu's problem was flying too close to the sun with their Patreon as well. Gave Nintendo ammo for a lawsuit there.

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[–] littlebluespark@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] edifier@feddit.it 50 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Nintendo makes me want to emulate more and more

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[–] sirico@feddit.uk 35 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Might as well set the groundwork to make it easier to shut down any emulators for the new console. Can't have old steam deck and others taking the handheld market

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 31 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

nintendos shitty hardware is the only thing keeping me from buying their excellent games. I would rather buy a steam deck and deal with all the associated bullshit getting an emulator working rather than purchase nintendo's terrible plastic shit.

i sound angry, but thats because i am. i love their games, would give them my money to play them. BUT NOT on crap hardware. never, ever again, nintendo.

harrrumph

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

I don't have a problem with the tech being old as long as the games are good, but the failure rate of their joycons and pro controllers is abysmal! I got a converter to use a PS5 controller on the Switch and it's much better!

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 6 points 8 months ago

I swear if the next console gets stick drift as easily I won't buy one.

[–] Fake4000@lemmy.world 30 points 8 months ago (1 children)

From what I understood, is that the team's Patreon page is a means of making financial gains of emulating the Switch. This could be the reason why Nintendo is suing.

Vanced NFT memories.

[–] CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

Well Vanced was a lot different, they were actually redistributing code from YouTube. They were asking to be sued and they got off really easy.

Whereas here, no code is being used afaik. They don’t even include the keys for the decryption for the console. So the only thing this can do is: decrypt game files once provided keys and then run an emulated graphics pipeline and logic process for said game.

Now I can see an argument about how Yuzu is specifically built to emulate the Switch which is a current product. Which makes this sketchy. But also it’s an emulator. What’s better is that breaking the law is not required to use the emulator. You can get your own rom rips and keys and use them with the emulator which gives it a legal purpose as a 3rd party application.

This is Nintendo just trying to scare them Id bet. Not a zero chance that Yuzu could lose though.

[–] fraksken@infosec.pub 26 points 8 months ago (2 children)

What's the crowd funding site for Yuzu legal fees?

[–] sovietknuckles@hexbear.net 17 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

https://www.patreon.com/yuzuteam

If you wish to support us a different way, please join our Discord and talk to bunnei. You may also contact: donations@yuzu-emu.org.

Or you could wait until the EFF commits to representing Yuzu (like they did for youtube-dl) and donate to the EFF at that point


There's a request on r/yuzu for a GoFundMe, but it has no response from the devs so far.

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[–] nintendiator@feddit.cl 22 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The official Yuzu website suggests that the tool is to be used with software you yourself own: “You are legally required to dump your games from your Nintendo Switch” — but it’s common knowledge, that this is not how these tools are primarily used.

Yeah, so what?

It's, legally speaking, not Yuzu's domain to regulate what I can lawfully do within my own home with hardware I bought , or not. It's not even Nintendon't's domain, and they are literally a Yakuza branch.

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[–] Luckaneer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 8 months ago

I wonder if they're going after Switch emulators now because the emulation capability is matching the product lifecycle, and that the patreon page makes the Yuzu team legally targetable.

If we're in for a repeat of GC -> Wii in the sense of the Wii being a more powerful GC, then Yuzu is potentially already close to being able to emulate the next gen Nintendo console out of the gate.

If that is the case, that's just par for the course when you're dealing with nearly decade old hardware.

[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 15 points 8 months ago

Someone sue Nintendo for gatekeeping.

[–] anyone_yun@lemmy.ml 13 points 8 months ago (2 children)
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[–] AnarchoCummunist@hexbear.net 8 points 8 months ago

Nintendo has always been an anti-consumer shit company since at least the 80's. Pirate their shit on principle alone, even if you never intend on playingit. Share it with as many as you can.

[–] anyone_yun@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Fuck you Nintendo, nobody should give you a dime

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