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Got this notification when I opened Chrome when coming back to my desk after lunch.

"We changed our privacy settings to allow us to snoop on what you're looking at and shove you ads accordingly. Feel free to opt out, but we'll probably opt you back in when you aren't paying attention."

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[–] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

From where comes the idea that personalised ads are good? I hate this timeline.

[–] gabriele97@lemmy.g97.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is why I decided to migrate to Firefox a few days ago

[–] sadreality@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Next stop Linux.

[–] XLRV@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

"More useful ads" Well the best ads is no ads.

[–] BenVimes@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm always a bit amused when these sites and apps say things like, "If you turn off ad personalization, the ads you see won't be as useful to you."

My dude, I don't think I've ever willingly clicked on an ad in my entire life. "Personalizing" them won't change that.

[–] HughJanus@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Even if any of these companies were any good at ad targeting, I wouldn't want "personalized" ads anyway cuz I'd just spend more money.

[–] luciferofastora@discuss.online 17 points 1 year ago

but but but but you'd get something good for it! You would never have missed it, but maybe you just didn't know you wanted it? Come on, I'm sure consuming shit that will make you happy twice for two minutes each (once when clicking buy, once when getting and opening the package) will fill that hole in your soul! Spending money on stuff you don't actually need is good!

(That was sarcasm, if it wasn't clear enough.)

[–] Snipe_AT@lemmy.atay.dev 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

"new privacy feature" and then "sites you visit can determine what you like"

translated: "this new privacy feature reduces the amount privacy you have!!! what a cool new feature!"

[–] name_NULL111653@pawb.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Idk why the heck you just got downvoted into oblivion for pointing out the irony in google calling this a "privacy feature." Good old reddit moment it seems.

[–] Snipe_AT@lemmy.atay.dev -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

lol it's no worries. actually I have the privilege of being bot-downvoted by CCP sympathizers because of comments on this post https://lemmy.world/post/2338419, there is also the possibility that I’m just an asshole.

[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Damn, you're still copy pasting that? That link doesn't even go anywhere lol

[–] roguetrick@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

He thinks he's getting bot downvoted, but there's actually people invested enough to stalk him. Cute.

[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, he's definitely "important"

[–] roguetrick@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

I don't particularly care about your or his internet spats or attempt to control the all important narrative on lemmy. You are the one giving him rent free space in your brain and on your keyboard though.

[–] Snipe_AT@lemmy.atay.dev -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

didn't think about it like that! i feel loved :)

[–] Kekzkrieger@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Many friends of mine are like saying why would i care i'd rather see ads that are relevant than ones that arent. Like dude i dont want ads at all and i dont want my data to be used to influence my buying behavior.

[–] nik282000@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I don't care if I have to see unobtrusive ads (not overlays, not popups, not unskippable videos) ads help keep many web services free, sometimes I even find it helpful when ads are relevant to my recent searches or the page I am looking at. But having companies build up profiles about me and then share that between themselves is bullshit, that kind of behavior would be treated as stalking if done by an individual, why is it ok for a business?

[–] Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's funny how small incremental changes over the years felt like nothing big was happening and then at some point we all woke up to a world where the largest advertising firm in the world basically is the internet for the vast majority of people. Everyone uses chrome and rarely types in a web address, they just type the name of the thing into Google and trust mommy to show them what's appropriate. They've back doored the entire population into basically what AOL was trying to be 20 years ago.

"we are going to help protect your privacy" from WHO Google? Is it from you? Because it seems like we need protection from you most of all. Constantly being gaslit by mega-corporations is the new American dream. It's okay because they love us, deep down, and we know that even though they don't show it.

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 1 points 1 year ago

small incremental changes over the years felt like nothing big was happening and then at some point we all woke up

I (and many others I presume) has been saying Chrome is shit since the beginning. It didn't feel like nothing was happening, it felt like we were slowly getting to the old days of IE and Netscape.

[–] silent_water@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Black_Gulaman@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, you see, our work environment is optimized to use chrome so there is really no other choice.

I wouldn't sacrifice my irl income just to tell google to go fuck itself.

[–] TraditionalMuslim@reddthat.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What is stopping you from using Brave? Don't you just need a chromium based browser?

[–] Black_Gulaman@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Our laptop is locked. We cannot just install programs into it and there are regular audits on the content of the laptop so no portable applications also.

Of course on my personal laptop I've always used FF since I became aware of it, about the year 2007 or so.

[–] Mane25@feddit.uk 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

OK, I don't think your work laptop really counts, that's entirely the decision and fault of your employer. We use Google apps at work but I don't consider myself to be a Google apps user, just my work is.

[–] Black_Gulaman@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah but that in itself underlines the problem. A large part of people's time is spent on work. And yes people do tend to use what is familiar.

Think of adobe. They offer students free access to adobe products. Which in turn transfers to a workforce that mainly use their products which in turn bleeds unto nonprofessionals using their products because of the abundance of youtube tutorials by professionals on how to use adobe products.

[–] ddkman@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

True, on the other hand this is very much employee driven. Some IT guy picked chrome as a company policy, and the reasoning behind it was looking at which browser would cause the least amounts of tickets with people complaining about browser choice.

The same is with office. Do you think a company likes to pay MS for it's shitty office suite, for when people have to type out 3 lines of text? Of couse not, but it cuts down on whining. (obv. there are places that are "full contact" ms office users, with excel sheets full of macros, but these are quite a minority)

Point is if public opinion would shift to firefox, companies would just roll out an update to use firefox from now on. Yes some webapps would break, but that is like "activeX" dependent sites in 2018... A bit pathetic.

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I used to be IT and now I'm in sysadmin work. I don't make corporate software decisions personally but I work with the folks who do. You're not entirely wrong but you're being extremely reductive.

Browser decisions are less about complaints and more about minimizing the ability of third party vendors to blame issues with their sites and occasional business required extensions on our browser choice.

Vendors would be more likely to support Firefox if it was more popular with the public, but that's more of a second order thing than some arbitrary "avoid complaints" decision. Fuck, half of sysadmin is selling the business on whatever shitty change you have to force on them because you don't have a reasonable choice. Avoiding complaints is so far down the priority list that it's routinely ignored.


The move to Chrome from IE where I work was caused by the vendor providing our timecard site making changes so it would only work in Chrome. One could argue "just drop the timecard vendor" but that's a decision outside of IT's hands (timecard and payroll is HR's domain) and a change like that is too massive to kick off due to something like what web browser needs to be used. That effects payroll, time cards, employee reviews, taxes, access to benefits... too much to just go "IT says no"

For reference, this was ADP. I know not all of their contracts went through this (my wife's workplace uses ADP and somehow is still on IE, their lack of IT security scares me) but again, not for IT to negotiate. Best part was that we had other business critical sites that still required IE, so while Chrome was the default, we had people using both.

We've since changed to Edge as default as vendors were dragged kicking and screaming away from IE and activeX (shudder), but now we still keep Chrome around for the vendors trying to get out of fixing their shit. Avoiding complaints does come into it, but far less than you'd think.


As far as MS Office goes, yes familiarity to the office workers comes into it (employee efficiency and saving time on training trumps personal stands about open source). There's a lot more to it though. You can't call up GNU support when OpenOffice shits the bed, we can and do with Microsoft sometimes just to calm a VIP. Having someone external to blame for things users don't understand is a valuable tool. We can rely on MS Office having easy configuration options so we can meet the various regulatory requirements our company has. MS Office can be managed through the same tools we already use to manage OS settings in our environment with no custom work or additional software. We don't rely on sometimes janky open source reverse engineering to open document types we recieve from outside our company, risking formatting issues causing problems with legal documents (yes, incredibly unlikely, but why even open yourself to the risk).

Admittedly, my workplace is "full contact" Office use. The things these bastards get up to with functions and macros is amazing and horrifying. When I was on the helpdesk I lost track of how many times I had to walk high level people through the fact that no their machine was not underpowered, they did not need more RAM, but that they had hit the limit for data in a single sheet in Excel and the only solution was to work with smaller amounts of data at a time. Since I've moved to sysadmin I've lost track of how many times we've had issues escalated to us because some department has constructed a faux DB using a bunch of Excel workbooks and data connectors between them. Just happy I'm not our SQL guy trying to move them away from that, poor bastard.


Anyway, at any medium or larger companies, these decisions have a lot more going on than tech dude preference and trying to avoid complaints.

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago

I lost track of how many times I had to walk high level people through the fact that no their machine was not underpowered, they did not need more RAM, but that they had hit the limit for data in a single sheet in Excel and the only solution was to work with smaller amounts of data at a time

Ooh ooh ooh! I got to do this the other day! Out SAAS database software gives us only limited functions and no SQL access so I dumped half a million rows to Excel to make a spreadsheet following a request from the top. After a couple of hours I had crafted my spreadsheet was about to send it when I was told "oh nevermind, they foind they already have a custom report that shows them the same information"

[–] 1984@lemmy.today -1 points 1 year ago

It really is unfortunate that almost all their users are asleep at the wheel and don't care.

[–] TheCaconym@hexbear.net -1 points 1 year ago

Chrome is now - and has been for a while - actively a threat towards its users (on top of being one towards the web itself). Here is a recent list of hostile moves, for example.

In terms of threat towards users Windows 10/11 is even worse, by a large margin - it actively and very aggressively spies on you.

Use firefox and switch to Linux (I suggest Debian), comrade penguin-love