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[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 71 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A senior Hamas official said the group is open to discussions over a possible truce with Israel, having "achieved its targets."

Yep, Hamas managed to entrench both sides in their fucking atrocity competition, so Hamas and the Israeli right-wing can both hang onto power by the fear and hatred stirred in their populations. Great. Same time again next year?

Fucking scumsuckers.

[–] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 26 points 1 year ago

After what happened, I don't think Israel is going to allow Hamas to hang on to power. They are not going to allow Gaza to ever again be in a position to attack Israeli citizens, and that's going to come at the cost of a lot of innocent Palestinians.

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[–] avater@lemmy.world 61 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (30 children)

Just as a little reality check for all Hamas "fans" (Hamas not Palestine!!) out here which are actually comparing them to Israel or openly defending them. The Hamas is founded on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which are a fairytale full of antisemitism and proven, false statements about Jews and how they are responsible for every bad thing that happens during the centuries and their diabolical plot for world domination (of course one of the favorite lecture of the Nazis)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion

Those idiots are really believing this fairytale and they use it to justify the murder of innocent people and Jews in general. So the next time you step in in defense of the Hamas or when you compare them to Israel, keep in mind that they are doing this because they believe in some antisemitic fairytale written by a crazy Russian back in the old days...they are basically Scientology only more degenerated and more violent.

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[–] osarusan@kbin.social 33 points 1 year ago

Real Putin energy here.

[–] Furball@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Beheads babies, kills 250 people at a music festival, rapes and murders women before parading them down a street, then proceeds to beg for a ceasefire when the “find out” phase begins

Edit: the babies claim is not confirmed

[–] nandeEbisu@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

They've been living under an Israeli siege for over a decade and had a mature enough intelligence apparatus to plan a highly coordinated assault while living in a surveillance state.. If you don't think this wasn't a calculated informed attack you've got your head up your ass.

I'm not condoning indiscriminate killing and rape of civilians and taking hostages, I also don't condone the inhumane siege of Gaza that has been happening for decades. 50% of Gaza is under 18. That's not because they're popping out kids, its because you just don't survive that long in that kind of environment, those are also deaths. Not graphic ones that make headlines, but lives were still lost. Its incredibly hypocritical to assume Israel's shit don't stink in this situation either.

I'm also queasy when I read the coverage of the recent attacks by Hamas, I also haven't been living in a police state. Not saying this is the most effective way that they can achieve their objectives, but I can understand how someone growing up seeing violence, sickness and malnutrition for completely preventable reasons dehumanizes the people they see as being the cause of their situation and join or support an organization like Hamas.

[–] Dreamer@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Also, when Palestinians resist against Israel, I'm not sure many people are informed about the differences between what Israel's actions are and the narrative it gives out. An example would be found in this Haaretz article covering how Israel systematically hides evidence of Arab expulsion.

[–] Furball@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I do think that Israel should stop its colonization of the West Bank, cease the blockade, and work towards a two state solution. But my sympathy is with the Palestinian people. I have absolutely no sympathy for hamas after what they have done and they deserve what will happen next.

[–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

But my sympathy is with the Palestinian people. I have absolutely no sympathy for hamas after what they have done and they deserve what will happen next.

The Israeli government no longer seems to care about the difference between the two.

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[–] tory@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

We took hostages so now you should negotiate rather than genocide the entire Gaza strip.

Yeah, good luck with that.

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[–] Devious_Thoughts@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

LMAO come on, guess they didn't expect the IDF to fight back 🤷🏽

[–] Wahots@pawb.social 21 points 1 year ago

Taking a shit in the public water supply, getting roughed up as people demand to know why you just shat in the only watersource, and then you tell them to chill and that you "got your point across" lmao.

[–] hoshikarakitaridia@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Yeah sorry Hamas, no takesy backsies when you just murdered a bunch of civilians at a peace festival.

It's like your brother just stole your favourite toy and then he's like "ok now we can have a truce".

[–] Sivalente@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Also murdered 40 babies in kfar aza, including beheadings.

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[–] mlg@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

I think he mean in the sense of hostage negotiations.

Practically speaking he's right, Hamas got what they wanted by doing a day of raids for some bullet spray kills, a few IDF outposts, and taking hostages for negotiating power.

Whether or not Israel will actually decide to negotiate for anything is another thing lol.

[–] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I'm pretty sure they're way past the line.

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Hamas fucked around, is finding out, and want to talk "truce?" What does a truce with a bunch of genocidal terrorists look like?

[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not carpet bombing the Gaza strip, where 2 and a half million palestinians live I'd imagine.

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If Israel was carpet bombing the Gaza Strip, we wouldn't see hundreds dead. We would see hundreds of thousands dead.

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[–] QHC@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Good question, should ask Israel the same thing.

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