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[–] rmuk@feddit.uk 19 points 2 days ago

These people are actively willing George Orwell's nightmare into being.

The Ministry of Plenty's forecast had estimated the output of boots for the quarter at one-hundred-and-forty-five million pairs. The actual output was given as sixty-two millions. Winston, however, in rewriting the forecast, marked the figure down to fifty-seven millions, so as to allow for the usual claim that the quota had been overfulfilled. In any case, sixty-two millions was no nearer the truth than fifty-seven millions, or than one-hundred-and-forty-five millions. Very likely no boots had been produced at all. Likelier still, nobody knew how many had been produced, much less cared. All one knew was that every quarter astronomical numbers of boots were produced on paper, while perhaps half the population went barefoot.

[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago (2 children)

10 minutes ago my wife came home with about $400 worth of groceries.

A similar amount of food / paper products literally would have been closer to $250 this time last year.

[–] vic_rattlehead@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Wow so you guys are set for the week then?

[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

Yes, but we are a family of five.

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[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Trump says lots of things. Almost all of them are lies.

[–] n0respect@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

He's been a known liar for almost my entire life, since the 80s. Taking his word as truth is just ... mind boggling.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 113 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (7 children)

It is honestly hilarious how dumb the financial industry is for all its mystique, like the stock market hasn't crashed yet? It really makes it obvious how much of a pseudo-science Economics is, it is only useful to rationalize the behavior of the ultrawealthy, spoiled and stupid, not to hold them to any kind of account or ideological consistency.

The US economy is fucked and the fact that so many finance and economics people aren't screaming the alarm at the top of their lungs tells you everything you need to know about the intellectual integrity of these people.

[–] EightBitBlood@lemmy.world 79 points 3 days ago (29 children)

Hey there. I've got an economics degree and work in business. I've been literally telling people how we're in a massive bubble, propped up by fraud and snake oil for years now. The economists you're thinking about on TV have been enshitified just like everything else in the US. It got so bad someone created a Jim Cramer ETF that collected all his stock advice but did the OPPOSITE of what he said. That ETF had a 12% return in 2024.

So the advice you are hearing from "economists" is advice they were paid for. Real economists have seen the writing on the wall for years. We're spectacularly fucked. Like there's almost complete red flags across the board, and the stock market is likely captured and fraudulent and has been since 2008.

Nvidia's price is just propped up by all the AI investment, and it's worth is propping up others like Microsoft. The whole thing is an obvious ponzi scheme as total value in the market exceeds our GDP by 218% now. This literally means the stock market is at least 118% inflated bullshit.

Inflated because the SEC has taken 17 years to roll out the CAT system to prevent fraud that was created as a response to the 2008 crisis. 17 years, and the "fix" TV hosts cheered was so great in 2008 to prevent another crisis is just now as of 2025 kinda being used. I say kinda because it's not fully integrated, doesn't need to be used, and is currently reporting billions of fraudulent failures and trades nearly every day.

The system has been captured and tortured for years and anyone that knew what they were looking at and were vocal about it were laughed at by experts paid to disagree. I've been saying all the above for years, and people thought I was insane. Now you think all economists are insane because they've been paid to sane wash the bullshit I've been talking about for years.

The problem isn't economists, it's that you believe the people on TV are the experts instead of industry plants. Actual experts, they get ignored. All the time. Because they can't compete with the amount of idiots on TV saying the opposite.

So no offense, but stop listening to the people on TV who call themselves expert economists, expert investors, etc and just listen to someone who's actually experienced in that field. My opinion has been discarded for years as I've made hand over fist betting against our economy. Advice I've freely shared yet always been ignored because it goes against what the TV says.

Anyway, here's the next 3 years:

Massive recession turns into a depression. Starting now, but this Monday is going to be a pretty rough day for the stock Market. Maybe not another Black Monday that started the original crash in 29, but we're getting close.

Likely by this November, if not tomorrow, a stock market crash will happen. It's completely propped up, so just a matter of time until the money runs out. Seeing the dip in stocks and crypto at the same time last week screams massive liquidity crisis (big companies needing more liquidity to prop up the current ponzi scheme of AI.) And there's not many places left where liquidity can be found.

Anyway, the value of the dollar has already decreased by 10% this year. Which is an astronomically fucked thing for no one to be talking about.

So just FYI, whatever savings you do have, consider converting some of it into property / vehicles / assets with value as they will each retain their worth as the value of the dollar looses it. Advice you'll never hear on TV, but is actually viable if you want your money to have any of the same value it has now as idiots ruin everything.

[–] IronBird@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

eh, my guess is this bull market doesn't stop until trump croaks.

the day he dies spy jumps 10% and then it craters 30%+ eod.

corruption and war are bullish as fuck

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[–] confusedbytheBasics@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

property / vehicles / assets

Is this why every ad I see lately is from Carvana asking me to sell my car?

Are there any assets that don't require a bunch of maintenance you'd recommend?

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[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 33 points 3 days ago (1 children)

There is some rational market behavior. Look to the skyrocketing price of assets like gold. A significant part of the market recognizes that something is very wrong. Gold isn't supposed to skyrocket while the stock market is generally improving. This reflects a significant fall in investor confidence.

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[–] IronBird@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

economics doesnt run the stock/futes markets, gamblers do

and i guarantee you anyone whose worked in finance long at a serious level knows this very well. nobody big will scream the alarm until they're positioned for the crash.

the banks won't do shit though, because they fully expect uncle sam to bail them out on the taxpayers dime again like they have many times before (and they probably will)

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 6 points 2 days ago

its basically clout for the rich and wealthy, to hide behind.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 13 points 3 days ago

I would suggest that all major crashes happen in part because no one wants to be the first to pull out of the corruption and lose money while everyone else keeps gaining. So it's a constant race until something actually breaks, and then it's a mad scramble to get out of the house on fire.

Basically, if everyone was (or was forced to) be honest, they would see the signs early and act to avoid crashing it all. But they aren't, so they don't.

That's a simplistic take on it, but the short is that the experts in the financial world see what's happening, know it can't end well, but they choose to try and profit while they can, hoping they'll get theirs first.

Hell, it's just like anyone who deals with Trump. Knowing full well how many people get burned from being associated, but they always think that it will be different for them and they'll be fine.

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Inflation is substituted by price hikes on everything he slapped tariffs on. There’s no difference to the everyday person, prices keep going up.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I was in Costco the other day, and there were a shocking number of people loudly complaining about prices. Usually people in the store will keep it to themselves, or maybe grumble a bit and move on. But they were truly getting worked up.

GOP is really playing it stupidly. The number one way to get violently overthrown is to make it hard for people to put food on their plates.

[–] Mangoguana@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Nahh, gop knows americans will never protest anything since they gotta be good little boys and girls and go work and not make any noise, no damaging anything nada.

Lets be honest, the closest thing you guys have in regards of protesting or holding anyone powerful accountable are mentally ill shooters.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

On everything but an hour's work, yeah.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Just because the shutdown leads to missing data does not mean nothing bad has happened.

I wonder how the final tally for the Trump "administration" will look like. It will probably take decades to fix what the orange turd and his cronies have broken.

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

That's assuming someone else comes to power and actually tries to fix it. Both assumptions are pretty big at this point.

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

By the time Trump is dead, you will be well past fixing things and into start over territory

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

We could offer a "new" national anthem for the US: the anthem of the former GDR. "Auferstanden aus Ruinen" (Risen from ruins).

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

It might help things if he stopped slapping higher costs on everything.

[–] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Inflation will not fall because cooperations are greedy. Whatever profits they make, that can be passed onto to consumers will go to investors and ceos

[–] MyOpinion@lemmy.today 40 points 3 days ago (2 children)

If the Orange turds lips are moving he is lying.

[–] comrade_twisty@feddit.org 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Trump says and reality are as closely related as Elon Musk and poverty.

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[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 33 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 24 points 3 days ago (2 children)

We are so deeply fucked that the Fed cut rates despite rising inflation!

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[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 days ago

He took items from the top shelf and moved them to the middle, see, groceries are going down. Checkmate, libs

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 11 points 2 days ago

HE also said he couldnt bring down groceries, in late december Early januarary, peppridge farm remembers.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I mean, yeah. Even if inflation stopped, prices have already been jacked up so much relative to wages, that's what happens.

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[–] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Being broke is good for the economy! 🫲🍊🫱

it's not, broke people spend less

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Inflation going down doesn't mean prices go down.

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[–] GaryGhost@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Maybe I'll end up living in a tent, fuck it

[–] StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

And you can afford that tent thanks to paying for it in 12 high interest payments!

/s

[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You know what is going to reduce inflation? Doubling the tariffs! Those magical tariffs applied indiscriminately on everything

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Doubling tariffs today will make it look like deflation occurs harder when they drop the tariffs later.

A few people will show the data correcting for tariffs, but will be drowned out by the "we did it, prices have come down for Americans" message.

[–] BetaBlake@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

And we'll have a new healthcare plan any day now

[–] ABetterTomorrow@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Everything needs to be cut in half.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 20 points 3 days ago

I nominate Trump.

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[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 14 points 3 days ago

Trump says

Yeah stop right there

[–] Tempus_Fugit@midwest.social 14 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Does he know that cutting the rate has a tendency to raise inflation? Jesus, these morons don't even know basic economics.

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[–] the_tab_key@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

About as coherent as "we defeated Medicare!"

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