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[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 19 points 6 days ago

its a MLM, just like health insurance. theres no guaranteed they will cover your cost in damages some of the time.

[–] jqubed@lemmy.world 126 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I used to be with a mutual insurance, which was still actually a mutual insurance, meaning the customers were also the shareholders. I got a small dividend most years out of whatever surplus existed.

[–] shplane@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago

Wish we could have that for fire insurance in California but the company would go belly up by the end of the month.

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[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 125 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

How insurance should work: Disasters are unpredictable, are bound to happen and can be very expensive to resolve. So instead of each individual risking bankruptcy for participating in a system, everybody pools together money at a much lower individual cost. That money goes toward a statistical guarantee that the cost of any disaster will be covered.

How insurance actually works (under capitalism): For-profit companies use every tool at their disposal, regardless of ethics or legality, in order to take as much of your money as they can possibly get away with while simultaneously paying out as little as they can possibly get away with, and then pocket the difference.

[–] blarghly@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Iirc, margins for insurance are actually extremely thin. Consumers almost always go with the lowest cost option, and since insurance is mandatory, they don't differentiate much on anything except cost. Insurance companies don't actually make money on insurance premiums. They make money by investing the float.

[–] MrFinnbean@lemmy.world 52 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Why people think first part is great for insurance, but when somebody wants to scale that up its suddenly horrible socialism.

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[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 week ago (5 children)

The province I'm in has socialized car insurance through a crown corporation. We all pay relatively the same rate, and there are discount tiers applied based on years of experience. If they have a good year of low payouts we get rebate cheques because its not a profit corp.

[–] some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

What happens if they pay out more than forecast?

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 days ago

Then there might be a rate increase for everyone in subsequent years, but not your current contract.

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[–] Hupf@feddit.org 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

everybody pools together money at a much lower individual cost

Another example of this is would be public transport.

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[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 80 points 1 week ago (8 children)

The idea is when everyone pays into insurance the collective fund is used to pay for the costs any individual wouldn’t.

Thankfully accidents or thefts don’t happen to everyone, but if they do you usually get more out than you put in (personal liability is usually millions of dollars, nobody puts that much in individually).

Where this goes wrong is when fraud happens or insurance companies are incentivized to manipulate rates to increase their profits.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 52 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Where this goes wrong is when fraud happens or insurance companies are incentivized to manipulate rates to increase their profits.

I'd say the problem is that insurance companies can take profits above operating expenses at all. These should all be strictly regulated (if not entirely state-run) and predicated on funds going to reimbursements for expenses + minimal admin overhead. If money is leaking out the window to shareholders via dividends and stock buybacks, its effectively being embezzled from policy holders.

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[–] ExtremeDullard@piefed.social 72 points 1 week ago

I have to wait to get hit???

I'm guessing she hasn't figured out the concept of insurance fraud...

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 57 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (24 children)

And if you don't pay it you can't legally drive a car. And if you can't drive a car, you aren't going to be hired for a job.

I repeat, YOU ARE REQUIRED BY LAW TO GIVE A CORPORATION MONEY IN RETURN FOR NOTHING IF YOU WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN SOCIETY

Car insurance is a fucking scam.

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[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 45 points 1 week ago

Need a new paint job? Get in an accident. Check engine light? Get in an accident.

I am not a ~~lawyer~~ person whose advice should be listened to on anything, ever.

[–] FluorideMind@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago (4 children)

What op is describing is called "self insured"

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[–] winkledinkle@sh.itjust.works 36 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

Liability insurance: legally required.

Also liability insurance: costs hundreds and the price gets jacked up every few months because fuck you.

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[–] jared@mander.xyz 30 points 1 week ago (9 children)
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[–] LavaPlanet@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 week ago

If it were a socialist systemic thing, and we rephrased it to, we all contribute a little each year and it goes into a pot for anyone who needs their car fixed, who contributes? (but then you gotta erase the evil corporation that rakes in billions and pays ceos unimaginable money)

[–] Meron35@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago

This already exists, and they are called unit linked insurance plans. Basically the insurance company provides you some units in an investment/trust fund, in addition to the policy benefit, for your premiums (obviously higher to compensate).

They are actually much scammier, because the insurance company administers the unit fund as well, and the fees are often much higher than if you just buy the policy and an exchange traded trust/fund separately. They were formulated by insurance companies basically for the sole purpose of bamboozling people who echo this meme. Back in the day, door to door insurance salespeople would say "even if you never claim, you still get a payout!".

Unit-linked insurance plan - Wikipedia - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit-linked_insurance_plan

[–] peetabix@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Its like gambling, I bet 100 bucks something will happen to my car this month. Damn nothing happened, lost again.

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[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago (7 children)

And the best part is it's mandatory!

[–] RabiesD@sopuli.xyz 12 points 6 days ago

Gotta pay the capitalism toll.

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[–] metoosalem@feddit.org 22 points 1 week ago

Once you start seeing insurances as casinos where you can bet on something happening to you or not it makes a little more sense

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