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[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 6 points 20 hours ago

Ukraine: First time?

[–] umb_official@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Didn’t Biden try to get Taiwan to make chips in the US but they thought Americans were too dumb to learn how to make them lmao

[–] jollyrogue@lemmy.ml 3 points 22 hours ago

TSMC does have fabs in Arizona now. Next to the Intel fabs. 😆

It’s more about money and proprietary tech.

Cutting edge fabs are expensive and risky, which is why most chip companies are fabless, and they should be a state project because of the risk and expense. I’ve seen estimates of $15-$20 billion dollars to setup a new 3nm fab.

Intel, TSMC, and Samsung are the 3 companies left which run cutting edge fabs. Intel missed on a couple generations, and they are sinking. Samsung is lagging, so it remains to be seen how long they’re in the game.

TSMC figured out the new tech and Intel didn’t. TSMC picked the correct horse, and Intel didn’t. It’s my understanding Intel couldn’t switch to the TSMC process if they wanted to. The two are different enough to be incompatible.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

i read that the american workers were too entitled to take the abuse from their taiwanese task masters so they imported their own compliant workers.

[–] wurzelgummidge@lemmy.ml -1 points 17 hours ago

too entitled to take the abuse

too entitled to learn from people who are clearly smarter then they are

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago
[–] WellTheresYourCobbler@hexbear.net 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

How did he think that was going to go? Did he think they’d be all “let’s hand over the only thing keeping the us invested in our sovereignty hehehe”

[–] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sure, the US cares so much about Taiwan province's sovereignty. The first thing that comes to my mind when I think about the US is how much they care about other nation's sovereignty.

[–] WellTheresYourCobbler@hexbear.net 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Notice I didn’t say care. I know they don’t care but they do spend a shit ton of money posturing, running military drills, and threatening China over them.

[–] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml 2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

yeah i meant it because of the "invested" i know you dont think that just wanted to make a joke fellow comrade

Oh I see I apologize

[–] Kefla@hexbear.net 18 points 1 day ago

Wouldn't be the first time a country made that mistake I guess

[–] TWeaK@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 day ago

Trump needs to realise he really doesn't have the cards.

[–] Mgineer@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 day ago

That was the only possible response

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Trump: Why don't you guys move half your manufacturing to the US...that way we still get your chips even if China invades?

Taiwan: Ummm. Yeah, no.

[–] wurzelgummidge@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

More like

Taiwan: Ummm, China is not going to invade, that is just your shitty propaganda

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca -1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

If that were the case, why ask them to move their production to the US...and why would Taiwan refuse? Those chips are leverage.

[–] Aria@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 12 hours ago

It's also their economy. They might refuse because they want to eat.

[–] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

America doesn't need half of it's national demand met by domestic production. Just enough to not need to start from scratch should China gain control over Taiwan. South Korea might already be fulfilling that role with GlobalFoundries (though that's owned by the UAE so ... ).

It'd be a nightmare trying to get the skilled foreign labor into America these days though so it's a lost cause anyway.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

A "demand" is not a negotiation. I'm starting to think that trump is neither a good businessman nor a good negotiator. /s