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[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 11 points 11 hours ago

This is really a much more interesting article:

https://www.theverge.com/policy/776840/charlie-kirk-death-social-media-jawboning

I was going to quote segments but it's really worth reading the whole thing. Senators shitting all over the first amendment and quotes from Charlie Kirk shitting all over them in return.

People really don’t like either of those guys.

Musk should go into hiding.

There’s no coming back from where he is.

[–] herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 day ago

Elon Musk hates free speech.

[–] 68silver@beehaw.org 4 points 16 hours ago

What has this have to do with technology? Wishing someone else is the next one.

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 58 points 1 day ago (2 children)

So, he wants to make it so just criticizing Charlie Kirk is off limits, now?

Lol! Wut? I thought this guy told everyone he was a "free speech absolutist". What a clown.

[–] dmention7@midwest.social 14 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Without exception, "free speech absolutists" just want to say a specific brand of horrid shit themselves without social blowback. It never applies to free speech as a legal concept, and certainly never applies to speech they disagree with.

[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Without exception? No, I don't think that's true, it's just the loudest ones, unfortunately.

For genuine free speech supporters like me, this is a problem because it makes the phrase "free speech" look bad and thereby contributes to a decline in it.

[–] dmention7@midwest.social 5 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

That's why I specifically called out the phrase "free speech absolutist".

In my experience the vast majority of people who truly do advocate for freedom of speech are willing/able to understand nuances such as the fact that your freedom of speech does not grant you immunity from the social consequences of unpopular speech. I.e., other people exercising their freedom to disagree or opt not to use their private platform to host your speech. The "absolutists" will unironically call that censorship, rather than recognize other people are not compelled to engage with their speech.

[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)
[–] Hacksaw@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

I think that free speech laws are what stopped us from being proactive against these intolerant fascist views.

They turn tolerance from a social contract into a "paradox" where we have to tolerate the intolerant until they take over.

If we didn't have such strict free speech laws, we could have deplatformed and jailed these people back when they were at the "protest with confederate and Nazi flags" stage and not had to deal with the neo-fascist government stage.

To put it another way punching Nazis should be legal. A Nazi is a direct existential threat to Jewish people and other minorities. Parading with Nazi paraphernalia in public is violence towards others and punching Nazis is valid self defense. American free speech and self defense laws were written to exclude "inducement" of violence, but that's been whittled away by the supreme Court, including a ruling that walking around with Nazi flags in a Jewish neighborhood wasn't bad enough to permit the residents to retaliate in any way because of "free speech".

[–] parlaptie@feddit.org 15 points 22 hours ago

His stance on free speech has been well established for a long time now. He champions free speech so long as it's his speech. Any speech that disagrees with him is, in fact, itself an affront to free speech.

[–] Aquaphobi@lemmy.zip 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)

How does … he… have any authority over Microsoft employees… you know what I’ll just read the article

[–] herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml 9 points 23 hours ago

Elon Musk controls a rabid lynch-mob. That is how he has any authority.

[–] xxce2AAb@feddit.dk 63 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"I believe the rights enshrined in the 1st amendment applies to everybody I agree with."

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

First Amendment guards against state repercussions for speech, with exceptions. Careful not to conflate the legal and colloquial usages.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 3 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

“I’m going to use Congressional authority and every influence with big tech platforms to mandate immediate ban for life of every post or commenter that belittled the assassination of Charlie Kirk. I’m also going after their business licenses and permitting, their businesses will be blacklisted aggressively, they should be kicked from every school, and their drivers licenses should be revoked. I’m basically going to cancel with extreme prejudice these evil, sick animals who celebrated Charlie Kirk’s assassination.”

  • Rep. Clay Higgins (R-LA)
[–] Nougat@fedia.io 3 points 9 hours ago

That's abridgement of the First Amendment.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 8 points 23 hours ago

Which is why everyone needs to get off of twitter. Especially government accounts.

[–] Chozo@fedia.io 60 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Shut the fuck up, Elon. We'll be celebrating your death, as well.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 16 points 1 day ago

I'll celebrate his even more

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 5 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe that why he wants to stop this, in the hopes someone will do the same for him.

[–] cheers_queers@lemmy.zip 1 points 15 hours ago

Ding ding ding!

[–] MrSulu@lemmy.ml 8 points 21 hours ago

Perhaps if he stoepped into Charlie's shoes.......

[–] Duplexity@beehaw.org 10 points 22 hours ago

That means he's very afraid

Musk, name people around the world would perforate you if they had the chance. Better hide in your bunker

[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 23 hours ago

Elon Musk should be next IMO.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 4 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Ted Cruz: Getting a little hot in here, isn't it AOC?

AOC: Only for MAGAs, Ted.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

wE hAtE cAnCeL cUlTuRe aNd lOvE fReE sPeEcH

[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 23 points 1 day ago

*Free speech **absolutist

*only available via subscription

**absolutely horseshit

[–] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 13 points 1 day ago

OY

This fuckin' timeline

I wonder how is the dumpster fire going over at bluesky ?
How is Rasputin handling it ?
Anything we can gloat at here from the fediverse ?

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