I didn't even know they had gay sizes.
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Just buy in Temu, they put these BS sizes but there's always a chart in cm so if you know your numbers you get it right.
Same thing when I wanted Business shirts. Where I live it's all s m l bulshit. I went to Macy's online and they sell most brands by 3 measures I think, can't remember, it's collar size, arm length in inches. Well worth the international shipping fees for a week's worth of shirts. Now I mostly work from home, I think they'll last until I retire lol
I refuse to allow anyone else to buy clothes for me
Not limited to gender. I'm stronger built than the average man and have to live with too long XXL jeans with too less ass.
I'm tall and thin. A pullover size M fits perfectly, but i need the arms of a L pullover. I have a Pullover size M that is bigger than my other L pullovers. I bought a Pullover size M with nice arms, but the rest is velly free. And that are not cheap chinese clothes where ut's notmal that an XL is a M. I just don't understand.
I feel this. Even for jeans, where measurements are given, it can be tricky to get them right. Oftentimes, the cut makes all the difference. In the end, that's the design of the garment and that might fit your body or not. I think designers should have all the freedom in the world making their jeans tighter or looser, higher or lower at the spots they want but a better description would reduce returns for online stores a lot. Though, I've seen some stores which put serious effort into this, allowing you to enter body measurements and then showing how it might fit you with a sketch or allowing you to compare it with another pair of jeans.
Tbh, online shopping clothes has never been a good idea. I don't know how it became so popular when it is so much extra effort to find clothes that actually fit without gathering a huge collection of pieces that don't.
It's not a women's problem it's just a clothing problem in general.
I was extremely upset the other day to find out that I need an extra large in shirts at this one store. Apparently in Next if you are tall you must also be fat other body types are impossible.
And yes I have also seen the same cut in the same store but two different colours be different sizes for the same declared size.
I'm very glad men's pants and shorts are done by waist measurement, and is an actual measurement.
Shirt sizing has been pretty consistent as well, in my experience.
Maybe if you're getting it tailored or something but off the shelf it can be a crapshoot for us, too. I have "32" jeans that range from hanging off me to I can't wear them comfortably.
This is why a lot of men find one brand and stick to it until they die.
I feel the same way, especially shoes. I guess the chart, size guide and even measurements is BS. This is why I dont order clothes online, last order I got the shirts are like big night shirts. Ah, well.
We're getting jackets as a christmas present from my employer and they had us fill out a size form. "Sizes are as usual."
Made me think of this.