@dessalines@lemmy.ml @davel@lemmy.ml I am curious as to your thoughts on this. It is very annoying for myself and others to write out effort posts refuting shit these liberals spew on our platforms only to find out none of them will ever see it. Meanwhile we have to be subject to their garbage posts and takes with no recourse. This is fundamentally detrimental to the fediverse as a whole.
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I'd argue it's more of an issue for them, since they do not get to counter-argument :P
Your reply refuting their argument can be read by everyone that is in an open platform, while their messages only go unchallenged on their own echo chamber anyway.
To me, it would be worse if it was the other way around: them spewing shit and me not even realizing and being unable to respond.
In my experience, fallacious arguments spill and unravel over several comments, rarely up front, so it's not a great thing.
It depends.
The invalid reasoning a person might have for an argument does not necessarily invalidate the argument (if you can reach the same argument from multiple reasonings), it only discredits their ability to form arguments with a valid basis.
So a long conversation can lead to the person losing credibility, but a strong rebuttal focused on the initial argument, to me, is more important if what we want is to refute the argument.
Both have their place, but usually arguments start from low-effort jabs that then turn into serious refutations from others. Fundamentally, though, is the response, giving the original jab-maker a chance to give an actual argument, upon which it can fall apart and prove the original argument better, or can refute the argument and justify the jab.
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There's nothing we can do about server-to-server blocking, but I think over the long term, people will join servers that do less instance blocking, so that they can personally be in control of what they see.
And of course everyone not on restricted servers will still see your replies / takedowns, so it really only harms them. In a big way, responses are just as important to onlookers, than the one you're responding to.
Pardon my ignorance of how federation works, but would it be possible to have federating/defederating at a more granular level, like at the user or comm level? Like if in individual user wanted to block a whole instance instead of instances blocking each other, or if instances wanted to prevent certain comms from showing up and not others for a specific instance?
That's the way we'd prefer it, and it's already working in lemmy. But unfortunately that wasn't added until after full instance blocking, so most instances kept their blocklists.
We have instance community blocks working rn, and instance user blocks will be in the next release.
Of course I do think instances should fully block some servers, like the ultra right kiwi-farms and stormfront type ones... but unfortunately those communities set up on the big instances now anyway.
That’s really great to hear and it seems like it will be a very positive change. Thanks for the response!
Oh yeah for sure I was just curious as to your thoughts on people taking this project and building in their own ideologically motivated blocking. I know that there is nothing to be done about it as its all open source I just find it scummy that they do this in the first place. I get not wanting to federate with specific instances but the way this works is to just automatically make it one way only unless the person using their fork manually changes it.
I don't want to force them to see our posts or comments or anything idgaf about that I just don't want to have to guess which people I can see on my end can actually see my replies to them ya know?
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I have removed the piefed instances that did not unblock hexbear from our allow-list to prevent the one way federation
Awesome thank you. 
"wow switching to piefed cured my Havana syndrome":
Isn't this how it's always worked? I think it's the same with lemmy.world where you can see comments from .world users on Lemmygrad but they can't see your replies.
You can still federate after the instance setup, like piefed.zip does
You said I spammed this, but you still didn't register the information?
https://hexbear.net/post/5959834/6443954
I think it's more that the admins are the only ones that can do that.
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Omg dude we get it stop spamming this. We know. That is not what this is about.
If someone runs an instance that has manually unblocked us cool but that is not what this is about and you are clearly the one not registering what I am pointing out here
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Where is that code? Does it block some specific instances or how does it work?
For hexbear + lemmygrad it's by default
from what I can tell, when a server is spun up there's the option to subscribe to an existing blocklist on a piefed server.
This means blocklists can propagate transitively:
If instance A blocks lemmy.ml, and instance B subscribes to A’s blocklist, and instance C subscribes to B’s blocklist, then whatever instance is blocked on A will also end up blocked on C (unless filtered out manually).
quoting the developer of piefed, hexbear and lemmygrad are blocked by default:
This is why piefed is so popular with centrist extremists.
Piefed just seems like it's going to be a social chauvanist echo chamber, most people like Lemmy because even though the devs have their own ideological principles, it doesn't pre-configure the user experience based on those principles.
It's rather unfortunate that no one gets to see other perspectives. And it's messing with my hope that the USA can get better, because it's feels like this: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/8939607
These people are willing to accept the "lesser evil," but it's the same evil, and they are condemning poor people and PoC to have to deal with it, because we're the buffer. But they won't stop at us.
Moreover, this is the censorship they screen bloody murder about with the "great firewall." Absolutely zero introspective ~~ability~~ effort.
It's deeply unfortunate, that's why I try to do the best I can to stay optimistic but realistic.
Well collective karma is real, and they think by throwing some into the volcano it won't erupt. But the volcano is going to do what it does, eventually.
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Does it not have that slur filter still? Not sure that's really the reason people use lemmy
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Harcoded block lists in your software? Gross.
Bruv, OP asks 'What's your stance on Genocide?' and then refers to Ukraine and China rather than Israel, that's bad enough, but then the PieFed guy replies with that 'they ban speech which minimises atrocities committed by Hamas in Gaza'! Sheesh.
That's a known social chauvanist powermod, one of the fediverse's loudest anti-communists and Israel defenders while vaguely posturing as a leftist.
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I think it's annoying, but im not sure if there's a clear solution. Id say this type of one sided block is similar to ghost bans and feels just as abusive.
I cant imagine it's very pleasant on their side either, since it would feel as if everyone from grad or ml were giving you the cold shoulder and make the fediverse feel dead.
The nature of the fediverse is open though - escalating this to another ban/block or banning the custom fork would be counterproductive, imo. If thats their preferred way to curate content, I guess thats their prerogative
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