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The Trade Deal (lemmy.ml)

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[–] vfreire85@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago

oh, their relation with their satraps...

[–] terrific@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Americans think that the US is the centre of the universe 🙄

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The US is the world's hegemonic empire, and Europe plays a secondary role within that empire.

[+] terrific@lemmy.ml -6 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Oh it's you again. Last time we talked you lectured me about imperialism. I'm not really interested in a lecture today, or any day. We can have a conversation if you want, but I'm not going to subscribe to your dogma.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What a snide and dismissive way of responding. The meme we are both commenting on is about the relationship between the US and Europe in the context of imperialism. I'm not going to give you a "lecture," or anything, but immediately dismissing and insulting me as dogmatic is just plain rude.

[–] terrific@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm sorry if I'm dismissive but I gotta tell you, last time we talked felt an awful lot like being lectured. You didn't really engage with anything I said but rather regurgitated endless theories and facts.

And you are a self-proclaimed Marxist-Leninist, is that not true? Subscribing to a particular narrative is IMO exactly what "dogmatic" means. I'm not saying it's wrong, it's truer than most dogmas. But still a dogma.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I don't remember you at all, if I'm being honest. I apologize if I was acting obnoxious, but I talk to many people and don't remember them all.

Secondly, I am a Marxist-Leninist, yes, but not a dogmatist. Dogma necessarily implies a rigid and inflexible understanding, not simply an agreement with a frame of analysis. Otherwise, nearly everyone would be a "dogmatist" for saying the Earth is round against the Flat Earthers.

[–] terrific@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Using phrasing such as "necessarily implies" is exactly what makes me call your conversation style "lecturing".

Is it normal to talk like this in your circles? In my culture it's a certain way to antagonize anyone who doesn't already agree with you.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago

I feel like that's just nitpicking, though. I'm a statesian, not everyone uses it but some do.

[–] 0144927536231884@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

At a really general level - you do know that you're posting this to a forum, right? Are you posting here to engage with other people, or are you just posting to fulfill your vanity?

I don't mean this in a snide sort of way. I hope that you can consider opportunities in future to be more charitable to people who are spending their time reading what you've posted and writing responses. It's genuinely feels better to engage that way than to assume the worst of people, and to treat them like they are purposefully antagonizing you.

[–] terrific@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 days ago

It's a fair point. Your assessment is missing one crucial piece of context: my last conversation with CowBee. It was really quite painful and I'm just not in the mood for another treatment.

[–] huquad@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 days ago

Hello, is it me you're looking for?