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The Jurchen Jin dynasty (meaning β€œGolden”) ruled parts of China, Mongolia, and northern Korea from 1115 to 1234 CE. The Jurchen originated from Manchuria, but in conquering the neighbouring Liao empire of the Khitan and parts of Song China, they came to rule the Great Plain of Asia from 1127 CE until their fall at the hands of the Mongols. It is not to be confused with the Chinese Jin dynasty which ruled China from 266 to 316 CE.

Origins & Prosperity

The Jurchen were a subject tribespeople in the north-eastern part of China with the most important clan being the Wanyan. The Jurchen were descendants of both the nomadic Tungus Malgal peoples and the remnants of the defunct Balhae (Parhae) kingdom of Manchuria and northern Korea. They spoke the Tungusic language. Living in small walled towns and villages around the Liao and Sungari rivers, they were hunters and farmers. Those groups near the neighbouring state of China adopted more sophisticated technologies and cultural practices while in more central and northern areas the Jurchen remained closer to their traditional roots. Expert at animal husbandry, the Jurchen specialised in horse breeding, which became a significant source of wealth. By the mid-11th century CE, they exported some 10,000 horses to the Khitan Liao state each year.

The Jurchen were not entirely free, though, and had to pay an irksome annual tribute to their more powerful western neighbours, the Liao state, which usually took the form of furs, falcons, and pearls during the 11th century CE.

Conquest of the Khitan

In the early 12th century CE the Jurchen began to challenge the regional dominance of the Liao empire and the kingdom of Goryeo (Koryo) in Korea. The whole precarious balance of treaties and tributes in East Asia was about to collapse. An 1103 CE revolt eventually led to a war with Goryeo, when the Jurchen were led by the Wanyan leader Yingge. Winning round one, the Jurchen then had to face a fightback. In 1107 CE the Koreans sent a specialised army (pyolmuban) of cavalry and infantry led by the general Yun Kwan for the purpose of ridding themselves of this foreign nuisance. Initial victories and the establishment of fortifications by Goryeo did not prevent a resounding defeat in 1109 CE. The horsemanship, archery skills, and great mobility of the Jurchen army proved far superior and an ominous warning of what steppe cavalry might achieve in the region in the coming centuries.

The Jurchen were thus able to form their own state, the Jin, with Wanyan Aguda, their ruler, even declaring himself an emperor in 1115 CE. The Song dynasty of China (960-1279 CE) took advantage of the Jin territorial ambitions, and the two states joined forces to defeat the Liao state, who had since then dominated the region of northern China and Mongolia. Aguda, now calling himself Emperor Taizu, attacked Jehol (Rehe), the Liao supreme capital, in 1120-21 CE, and the Liao dynasty, weakened already by an internal schism between the sinicized elite and more traditional clans, finally collapsed four years later.

Invasion of Song China

Aguda was succeeded by Emperor Taizong in 1123 CE, and almost immediately he set about expanding his empire. In 1125 CE, realising their former ally the Song were militarily weak, the Jin attacked parts of northern China over the coming year. Even the great general Tong Guan (1054-1126 CE) could not stop the invasion which saw the capital Kaifeng besieged. The emperor Huizong (r. 1100-1126 CE) was captured along with thousands of others, and the Jin acquired a huge swathe of territory down to the Yangtze River. The Song were compelled to pay the Jurchen a massive ransom to avoid any more loss of life. The defeat necessitated the Song court relocate to the Yangtze Valley, and they eventually established a new capital in 1138 CE at Hangzhou (aka Linan) in Zhejiang province. This was the beginning of the Southern Song dynasty. Relations between the Jin dynasty and Song China thereafter remained mostly friendly, with a formal peace treaty signed between the two states in 1142 CE. The weakened Song, once again happy to pay off a dangerous neighbour in tribute rather than engage in more costly wars, sent the Jin silk and silver in huge quantities.

Government

The Jin capital was at Shangjing (modern Harbin), but in 1153 CE it was moved to Yanjing (modern Beijing) following the takeover of the Liao territory. As with many states which bordered with China, the Jin adopted many Chinese political and cultural practices. China was always seen as the great civilised state in East Asia, and its methods of administration and bureaucracy were effective enough to be copied by newer states like the Jin. The Jurchen also adopted writing characters similar to those in Chinese, although the Jurchen language itself is yet to be deciphered. Some things it did not copy though, and one was the Confucian reverence for officialdom. Jin rulers were not averse to publicly flogging corrupt or inept senior officials, a treatment unheard of in Chinese government.

Collapse

The nomadic Mongol tribes had been assembled under the leadership of Genghis Khan (r. 1206-1227 CE), and they repeatedly attacked and plundered the Xia and Jin states in the first three decades of the 13th century CE. Attacks came in 1205 and 1209 CE, and then, in 1211 CE the Mongols stepped up their invasion and entered Jin territory with two armies of 50,000 men each. The Jurchen were able to field 300,000 infantry and 150,000 cavalry but the Mongol tactics proved that numbers were not everything. Genghis Kahn would savagely sack a city and then retreat so that the Jin could retake it but then had to deal with the chaos. The tactic was even repeated several times on the same city. One Jin official, Yuan Haowen (1190-1257 CE) wrote the following poem to describe the devastation of the Mongol invasion:

White bones scattered

like tangled hemp,

how soon before mulberry and catalpa

turn to dragon-sands?

I only know north of the river

there is no life:

crumbled houses, scattered chimney smoke

from a few homes.

(in Ebrey, 237)

The Jin were not helped by their own internal problems either. Besides chronic corruption emptying the state coffers and the odd natural disaster in the form of floods, in 1213 CE the emperor, Feidi, was assassinated by a Jin general whose own candidate was himself assassinated only two months afterwards. The Jin rulers were compelled to retreat south and pay tribute to the Great Khan, although they were probably glad to, faced with the stark alternative. It was a respite but worse was to come as the Mongols reattacked in 1215 CE. The Jin state, now nothing more than a province, finally came to an end when it could not withstand another invasion, this time sent by Ogedei Khan, in 1234 CE. It was not an end to the tribe, though, and the nomadic Jurchen continued to raid northern Korea in the 14th and 15th centuries CE. Then, known in this period as the Manchurians, they conquered the peninsula completely in 1636 CE.

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[–] GeckoChamber@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago

I can't believe they made an entire genre of rock music that is just songs about sauerkraut, music people are so silly

[–] CDommunist@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago
[–] dumpster_dove@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Somewhere out there, Joe Biden is still getting infinitely closer to calling out Israel like some Xeno's paradox

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago

working tirelessly to move half the distance he moved yesterday

[–] Grownbravy@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago

:::spoiler okay, i do have something good to share

I saw a job listing working for americas lib uncle as a producer, i just shot my resume over this morning while still a little mopey, so lets all get our spirit-bomb for bravy, if you dont mind.

[–] CrispyFern@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Did u kno you can drink ur own urine in a survial situation if u need something to drink.

Some even do it when not in danger

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[–] GladimirLenin@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

There's a zionist freak posting hasbara on a forum that I use, trying to justify the war crimes and genocide. Anyone know of any website keeping track of the heinous shit that has been committed by 'israel'?

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At too much last night and made my tummy hurt and I just had the exact same meal for lunch. oooaaaaaaauhhh

[–] HarryLime@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago
[–] Wmill@hexbear.net 7 points 2 weeks ago

Finally beat Ghost trick phantom detective, cried pretty hard at the ending catgirl-cry the narrative hooked me pretty good music was great and finally seeing a resolution to all the plot lines felt real cathartic. Kinda sad to see the game did so bad when it released tho while I heard might get a sequel with the remaster doing good I kinda rather not see it. The story was good and had a solid ending and I rather not see a series become a shell of itself

[–] segfault11@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

chipped my front tooth by accidentally biting on a fork during dinner deeper-sadness I don’t have dental insurance rn to fix it, but I can afford to pay out of pocket if there’s reason to believe it could develop into a bigger problem in the long run. what do yall think?

cw for my nasty ahh teeth, I just ate dinner and haven’t brushed 😬 but I did flossit’s the second from the left on the top

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[–] Goblinmancer@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Is there any grain of truth regarding "in China, CRIMINALS must be always be punished at very end?" Played a chinese visual novel named "Far Away" and the most evil hitman guy gets scott free away in 90% of the story routes (including in the "true route").

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[–] Grownbravy@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago

:::spoiler Bravy is still in the dumps I've had the last few days to process and more importantly everyone call me on bullshit. i know why it's happened, and i cant feel like I can turn it around but i still have to try. it still feels too important in my life to let it get away from me. like, it's more than just the one bright light in my life, it would still be the brightest had i been in any better demeanor. Like all versions of me would've made this choice. I know it's so rare to have someone love you so much, but i know it's horrible to not be that person to be loved back. it hurts my chest. it fogs my head.

it's because i've been awful to myself for such a long time, even when i thought i grew, but also because i let setbacks get me down. I've been writing into my journal, talking with people to get perspectives i've needed, and yelled at empty abysses. I've imagined talking to you, over and over again, practicing the words even though i know when the moment comes i wont find them again. I want something even if it cant change anything, like i need to see it not work, I need to explain i was wrong about who i thought I was, that she was right about some of the things she told me that i brushed aside like it was going on a list of things to get to later. i am writing full libraries like it gets me prepared to see you to talk about everything. Hours of rehearsal, miles of tape, even when i know you are probably not going to give me that chance when I didn't see i lost a million chances before. I feel more and more stupid as long as my own head is all of where I can litigate this. The physical distance is already too much to bare, this emotional turmoil i'm putting myself through as i wait to give you space from everything. When i cant accept the last words to be it. You've had more time to see this was coming, and like the last three seconds before a car accident, locked in knowing it's coming but you cant do anything, that's all i've been left with.

i've been open with you for so long, and it was wonderful, it was me being scared, closing off, when you did everything you could. I'm not saying i dont deserve this pain.

[–] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

What I really want to consume movies:

Leftist rifftrax over. Similar to rifftrax or MST3K, however:

  • less jokes
  • some conversation
  • some theory/history/serious factoids sprinkled in
  • Doesn't always have to be dunking on the source material (though for chud media probably will be)

Really, I'd have a few friends over with drinks to just watch movies as a group, but that isn't happening atm

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[–] AIf@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago
[–] CDommunist@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

dracula-flow

Im fucking James Buchanan

DO NOT fuck with me

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[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Cyberdecks seem so cool but in practice they're just worse laptops

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Trump touching the money to make everyone forget he likes touching children.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

@RNAi@hexbear.net finished Talos 2 base game, did all the golden gate puzzles (and got the ending associated with that) but haven't gone back to do all the stars. Do you know if it's worth doing? I don't think I'm gonna try this week but I might have time later.

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[–] 666@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Interesting bit in the post for the megathread. When I play Europa Universalis 4 as the Mongols, I use similar tactics in dealing with the superior numbers of the Ming instead of the Jin in this situation. Invasion tends to come at a later date, as I have the surrounding areas consolidated to ramp up the one or two gold production spots and furs.

For the actual invasion, a lot of the same tactics was deployed. Sending in smaller 50-60k stacks (mercenaries too) to deal with the smaller break-offs from the huge 120k stack of the Ming army and then retreating in loops. I would take 5k cavalry stacks and send them deep into the southern coast to raze, occupy and pillage the richer southern sea provinces while keep the A.I in a loop with the armies or have them throw themselves on my stack of forts on the border.

It was fun! It was about 1620 when I got to this point. Was thinking about retiring it because slogging through Russia in a battle of 200k army vs 200k army sounds like hell.

[–] wombat@hexbear.net 7 points 2 weeks ago

it is august 25 and stalin saved the world from fascism

[–] Commie_Chameleon@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Been having this grey cat come onto our back porch and mark everything because he isn’t neutered. It’s pissing off the indoor kitties which in turn wakes up the baby sometimes :/ We’ve been calling him Pissdolf, he’s super friendly but holy shit dude get outta here

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Calabacitas

Spending $250/month on various budgeting apps to get my finances in order. Work smart, not hard.

[–] Moss@hexbear.net 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

For some reason in the background of one of the sets for House MD, there's a map of 16th/17th century Europe. Its the lecture theater where House does his differentials with the team he's recruiting in season 4. I really have no idea why, its a teaching hospital but somehow I doubt they're teaching early modern European history

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[–] uSSRI@hexbear.net 7 points 2 weeks ago

Lmao the new health insurance plan kicked in. It costs more per paycheck, has less available services, and the copay is higher. $50 per session of therapy? Fuck off. And now I got a bill for the two sessions I had last month to cover the increased costs. I cant afford this shit, and this is pretty mild for medical costs here.

Can the wheels just come off this rotten country already? God damn America and anyone who defends it.

[–] Riffraffintheroom@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I went out for a long walk weeks ago not knowing that my city had the second worst air quality in the world that day and since then I’ve had shortness of breath especially when trying to sleep. Doctor ordered an x-ray but said it’s probably just irritation, but I’m getting nervous because it’s not improving very much. Fuck this hellworld.

[–] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Watching Barry Lyndon filled me with immense racial shame. A culture of puffy-shirted fauntleroys prancing about to harpsichord is the driest, most swagless heritage imaginable. Just cringe on cringe.

A film set in a similar era in Japan or China or the Middle East would have been so cool in comparison.

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[–] DoomBloomDialectic@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

eternally rseentful of the regulars who account reset & are nto immediately recongizable by their authorial voice, for their ability to be one...in the crowd....

here i am, without the anonymoituy of a lurker or meekposter

but without the clout, the recognition, of a powerposter

a heinous limbo joker-shopping hexbear-cool joker-shopping

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[–] KnilAdlez@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

What I meant: I'm tired, but I need to stay up for a few more hours

What I said: I cry to the heavens and ask to end my suffering, but God has deigned his hatred righteous and his punishments just. For His twisted mind can recognize my power as divine, but cannot recognize His own jealousy.

[–] Euergetes@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago

i was tryna be charitable to eddington but fuck it just sucks

[–] Edie@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Who made all these books? I just added two more to my "some day" list. Given how long it's taken me to make these 9 that are in progress that's going to be in a decade dog-screm

Someone tell them to stop.

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