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The Framework Desktop and Linux have shown me the path to PC gaming in the living room (www.theverge.com)
submitted 1 month ago by along_the_road@beehaw.org to c/technology@beehaw.org
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[–] Damage@feddit.it 29 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"it's not ready because it can't play all PC games" is kinda weak, despite being the only criticism.

Consoles can't play most games, even those made for the previous generations of the same console, and Windows 10/11 can probably play fewer Windows games than Linux can, as Wine/Proton can use compatibility fixes for old games.

[–] TehPers@beehaw.org 7 points 1 month ago

Also, from my experiences, I've only come across issues with games that are already buggy in general. I don't play a lot of multiplayer games though, and the couple I do play either have no anti-cheat software (it's unnecessary) or whatever they do have is non-invasive.

There are definitely games out there you want Windows for since they either won't run on Linux, or the effort required to run them just isn't worth it. But it's like you say - consoles can't play all games, only those compatible with the console, and generalizing "PC" as a console is not really fair to begin with given the modularity of a PC, hardware/software requirements of games on it, and what software may not exist anymore. Plus, you get most of what you want by dual-booting, plus none of the advertising crap Windows throws at your face these days when on Linux.

[–] TehPers@beehaw.org 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

As a Steam Deck upgrade, seems like a decent choice for a home console. But I also think someone who can build a PC from scratch (or knows someone who can) would want to consider some SFF builds.

The Framework Desktop's CPU (both options) is great. For a laptop. Or a handheld. It's not really a desktop CPU. The fact they got it in a desktop with the configurability that comes with their custom mainboard is incredible. But while it's super cool if you just want to share your system memory with your GPU for training a model, for example, it's not going to have the performance that mid to high end builds will on more demanding games.

For the same price and some deal hunting, you should be able to put together a decent SFF home-console-style PC with a more clear upgrade path.

[–] Midnitte@beehaw.org 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The fact that the RAM is just literally unupgradable due to the structure of the chip really just drives that home - they shouldn't have made it a desktop.

Idk, maybe some sort of cluster piece or something?

[–] TehPers@beehaw.org 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I disagree. Bringing that hardware to a desktop form factor is incredible and opens it up to be used in ways that wouldn't be possible in a mobile form-factor.

None of those ways are gaming. It's not a gaming PC. It's for very specific workloads.

[–] Midnitte@beehaw.org 1 points 1 month ago

Well perhaps the bigger problem is the Verge reviewing it as a gaming rig

[–] t3rmit3@beehaw.org 3 points 1 month ago

You can buy it 'naked' without the desktop shell, for clustering (though also just to choose your own case).

It's really meant as an LLM-runner that fits on your desk, for people who aren't looking to have a rackmount setup. Hell, unless I want to add a 4U monster to my rack for a GPU setup, even a single FWD is going to outperform most rackmounts for running LLMs.

I do think there's value to it as a gaming machine if only because other OEMs aren't offering desktops with Linux, and certainly not ones that can run games very well without any user upgrades, but yeah, it's definitely not intended as a "gaming machine".

[–] Damage@feddit.it 3 points 1 month ago

One thing to consider is that, much like the framework laptops, this gives the Bazzite devs a standardized hardware to target, which is positive for the various reasons we're all familiar with.

[–] Kirk@startrek.website 4 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Can anyone with Bazzite experience tell me how it handles games with third party launchers like EA or Ubisoft? You can't seem to be able to escape those these days and they are buggy even on Windows so I don't have high hopes for Linux.

[–] termus@beehaw.org 3 points 1 month ago

Uplay can sometimes be an ahole but it's that way on Windows too. EA and Rockstar launchers have been fine through Steam. A friend bought RDR2 directly from Rockstar has issues with Rockstar launcher outside of Steam. Use Heroic for Epic and GOG.

[–] Damage@feddit.it 2 points 1 month ago

Well, Anno 2040 works, I wouldn't know about EA, as their only games I own are the free ones from their store, and I haven't tried that in a long time. If time allows, I'll try to install something of theirs and let you know.

[–] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

They work fine for me, but I use Mint.

[–] Hexarei@beehaw.org 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So far I've not had any trouble with them, running bazzite on a GPD Win Mini

[–] Kirk@startrek.website 1 points 1 month ago

That's great to hear thanks

[–] Damage@feddit.it 2 points 1 month ago

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