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[–] malle_yeno@pawb.social 48 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

She [the labour minister] appeared to link her actions to the toll that US tariff increases had taken on the Canadian economy. “In a year in which Canadian families and businesses have already experienced too much disruption and uncertainty, this is not the time to add additional challenges and disruptions to their lives and our economy,” she said in a statement.

Oh fuck off. When is there ever not "disruption and uncertainty"? Like what, trump does a thing and therefore workers rights shouldn't exist anymore? There's never a good time for job action, that's why it's a tool and why bargaining exists. The return to work order is such clear government overreach, this is an embarrassment.

[–] SamuelRJankis@sh.itjust.works 25 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Broadly speaking we're seeing a lot of effects of long term union busting behaviors.

If anything today should be the day we start righting the ship instead of slapping a piece of duct tape and moving on again.

[–] Tiger666@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 weeks ago

Righting the ship means different things to different people. I ready to Right the ship, are you?

[–] nothingcorporate@lemmy.world 32 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

They learned the lesson from Reagan and the air traffic controllers in the '80s... Let them break you and you will never recover.

[–] BurgerBaron@piefed.social 2 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Or a Canadian example which was CN rail corp and pretty recently. I know a lady who works grievances, everyone is absolutely broken and miserable since the back to work order they obeyed. Morale did not recover and she is swamped with homework.

[–] KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca 23 points 4 weeks ago

Hell yeah, fuck this government and their back to work orders

[–] yucandu@lemmy.world 19 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Fuck yeah, that'll show em. This Liberal government is effectively ending our right to strike.

[–] lost_faith@lemmy.ca 7 points 4 weeks ago

More often than not, this is the Liberal stance

[–] BurgerBaron@piefed.social 11 points 4 weeks ago

This warms my heart to see.

[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

I really wonder how many dollars more a flight would cost to make up for their wages.

I bet it’s low, like a few dollars more, not that airlines don’t have enough margins for fair pay.

[–] Someone@lemmy.ca 10 points 4 weeks ago

I did some quick, very rough math.

Transport Canada requires 1 FA:40 passengers (and the least efficient planes have a ratio of about 1:30)

From what I could find (please correct me if I'm wrong) the average flight attendant makes ~$30/hr, but only while the doors are closed.

I don't imagine they're asking for a 33% raise, but it makes the math easier.

$10/hr ÷ 40 people = 25¢ per person per flight hour

I have no idea how much unpaid work they do during a turnaround related to each flight, but I imagine it's not less than an hour and not more than 2 hours. So at $40/hr total wage that would add $1-2 per person per flight.

So on the worst case scenario/longest flight (YVR-SIN, 16hrs, 298 passengers, 8+2 Flight attendants, 30:1 ratio) that would be ($0.25*16+$2)+33%= ~$8 extra per person.

[–] yucandu@lemmy.world 6 points 4 weeks ago

In a highly competitive marketplace (which air travel is), companies can't raise prices to cover increased input costs. Their prices are determined by what consumers are willing to pay relative to what their competitors charge, not what their product costs.

It's one of the Big Lies people have been taught to believe - "if you make things more expensive for them, they'll just raise prices!"

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago

They don’t need to raise ticket prices whatsoever. They’re taking in massive profits, as the airlines have been openly price-fixing for over 15 years. They would just have to cut into the profits to executives and investors.

[–] pedz@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 weeks ago

Well, someone is going to have paid overtime.