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[โ€“] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 166 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The Internet.

That'd remove the circuses from our bread and circuses... and some of us are out of bread

[โ€“] AFLYINTOASTER@lemmy.world 89 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[โ€“] ramblinguy@sh.itjust.works 38 points 1 year ago (2 children)

While I can see the plus side of being able to identify bots, I don't think the WEI is the right way to do it, and Google definitely isn't the right company to be handling it

[โ€“] VonReposti@feddit.dk 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Plus how do you spot the difference between a good bot and a bad bot? Web crawlers from search engines are for example inherently good, so they should still be able to operate, but if it is easy to register a good bot in WEI, it is also easy to register a bad bot. If it is hard to register a good bot, then you're effectively gatekeeping the automated part of the internet (something that actually might be Google's intention).

[โ€“] Bakersfield@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

I was thinking the same thing about Google wanting their bots to be the only ones allowed to crawl and index the internet.

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[โ€“] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, even if the hardware can validate perfectly that it's not running any botting software, there's nothing stopping someone from spinning up a farm of these machines and using a central server as a hypervisor for them all. It's impossible to determine if your user is a bot.

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[โ€“] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 25 points 1 year ago

I just wish everyone would switch to Firefox.

It is because Chrome has a monopoly, is close enough to monopoly.

[โ€“] datelmd5sum@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

the internet is the first thing they shut down to control riots in authoritatian countries

[โ€“] expatriado@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

but how are we supposed to organize gathering times and places to start rioting? on the paper?

[โ€“] Bakersfield@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Carrier pigeon.

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[โ€“] Okalaydokalay@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

I would love to see this just to see the absolute chaos it would cause. I cannot visualize it.

[โ€“] ptz@dubvee.org 104 points 1 year ago (5 children)

That's a very complex question that depends on many socioeconomic factors. But the answer is probably porn.

[โ€“] hearthing@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

I'm gonna be honest. This is what I was looking for when I asked the question ๐Ÿ˜‚

[โ€“] paddirn@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

From my cold, dead, well-lubricated Hands!

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[โ€“] peasinspace@sh.itjust.works 57 points 1 year ago (2 children)

water/wastewater. something people dont think about, just turn on the tap/flush the terlet.

peoples places of living would back up and they wouldnt have safe water to drink

[โ€“] Mr_Blott@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Highly recommend getting a filter jug, even if you have good water. Makes you think every time you fill it just how much water we use daily

[โ€“] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I think any utility going down would cause that, and probably within a day or two.

[โ€“] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 48 points 1 year ago

I mean, agriculture seems like an obvious answer

[โ€“] GrammatonCleric@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[โ€“] xantoxis@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When France extended retirement age, waste management stopped cold in solidarity with the protests and its overnight disappearance was supported by most of the population, so I don't think that's it.

[โ€“] Gadg8eer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 year ago

Yes, but that's because it motivated them to strike. That's basically the less violent version of a riot.

[โ€“] IzzyData@lemmy.ml 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Probably a lot of them. Definitely food distribution though.

[โ€“] Valmond@lemmy.mindoki.com 14 points 1 year ago

The revolution is 3 meals away.

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[โ€“] YexingTudou@lemmy.ml 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Railroading. Not the next day, but probs pretty quick. There's a reason Biden nipped the railroad strike in the bud, and my theory as to why he's trying to build up the "pro-union" image again before the election - he really screwed labor in that move.

[โ€“] Dkarma@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Maybe you missed the part where he went back and fulfilled that promise to get the railroad workers sick days.

https://crooksandliars.com/2023/06/sick-days-biden-administration-gets-it

[โ€“] YexingTudou@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I actually did miss that, thank you for replying. I had been working for a passenger rail company at the time, but ended up leaving my job a little after the big event and didn't keep up on the news.

That being said, I still think the union could have gotten a much better deal had they been permitted to strike. They were originally asking for 15 paid days (note: I think they would've settled lower, but higher than 4). While the deal that was negotiated does help people, it is a far cry from what's needed. I worked at the best of the railroads (in terms of contract), and that was too much for me. I was on call 6 days a week and worked all 6 of those days for several months straight. I got sick a lot more often in my year on that job than ever before and it's becuse I didn't have rest. But again, that was the best contract in the RR, freight workers (at the time at least) were on call for up to 2 weeks at a time, sometimes being called in more than once a day.

I haven't looked at the new contracts that freight workers are getting now, but I know that 4 days sick leave (7 if you convert your personal days), is not enough, even if they got contracts as good as we had at my company. The railroads use and abuse their employees, and employees should've gotten a lot more than they did. A strike would have ground things to a halt, but that's literally the point. That's the only card we have as workers and Biden took that away at a pivotal moment.

So I personally still think it was a shit deal, and it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I'm glad that workers are getting more now than they were, but they could have gotten more had they not been kneecapped.

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[โ€“] mrpants@midwest.social 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He got them a few and far far less than they asked for.

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[โ€“] Ziggurat@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But is a strike enough to make the industry disappear ? Several European countries (especially France) regularly get large strikes in the rail (and indeed these workers are essential thus striking works). For a few days/week people find alternative way to commute, employer close their eye on people coming late/leaving early but a week of strike (even a hard one) isn't enough to collapse the economy

[โ€“] YexingTudou@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

This strike was regarding freight rail and would definitely not cause the industry to disappear since rail is the most cost effective way to transport certain goods, and we do not have enough infrustructure for trucks to be a reasonable alternative (and we have a hell of a lot of roadways). Here's a basic list of common things freight trains carry.

Many people would feel the hit from things like lumber and car shortages, but I think hazmat materials would be the biggest stopper of the economy. According to this page rail transports 99.9% of hazmat materials in the US, including 11% of the US's crude oil at it's peak oil shipments in 2014, though idk how pipelines factor in/how companies distibute gasoline, so not sure if that would affect gas prices in some areas more than others or if it would affect the nation as a whole. What I do know is that many industries rely on our freight system, and it can't all be converted to trucking. Many workers wouldn't have raw materials to work with and it would touch everyone in some way.

[โ€“] smokin_shinobi@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago
[โ€“] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago
[โ€“] fubo@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

Alcohol. First the casual drunks get pissy, then the serious drunks get sick.

[โ€“] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Information Technology.

Not immediately. But imagine what would happen if the engineers of Google and the other data centers like AWS went down for more than 24h.

[โ€“] lazylion_ca@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Forget 666. The world will end overnight if 8.8.8.8 stops responding to pings.

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[โ€“] zeppo@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Grocery stores, logistics (trucking/railway), electricity, petroleum, cocaine

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[โ€“] Ziggurat@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago

Tobacco, that shit is addictive, and looking at gow often the bad suburbs were drug traffic occurs end up rioting...

[โ€“] nitefox@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[โ€“] MrVilliam@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Then why isn't America rioting?

[โ€“] nitefox@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago

Because it didnโ€™t disappear overnight

[โ€“] hearthing@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Can't riot against something being taken away if you never had it in the first place and have convinced yourself that you don't need it ๐Ÿซ 

[โ€“] Luci@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago

They should be. Really.

[โ€“] FollyDolly@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Militarization of the police, and a extremely unfair, draconian, for profit prison system.

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[โ€“] redballooon@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

Toilet paper

[โ€“] craigevil@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Not an industry, but if EBT/food stamps payments stopped there would definitely be riots. Not that aren't already.

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