You people are disgusting. When the world was dimmed with counter-revolutions and the rise of neoliberalism, there was one group shining in the sea of darkness and that man was Chairman Gonzalo. Put some respect to the thousands of Peruvian peasants and his name for attempting to do something thought impossible in the 80s/90s.
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Remember when Fidel proved you don't have to boil peasants alive to win a people's revolution?
I wonder why Guzman couldn't gain the same kind of popular support...
Respect to the many thousands of peruvian communists and probably tens of thousands of peasants that participated in Peru's people's war ? Yeah
Respect to Gonzalo as a leader or as theorist ? Meh . Heavily , heavily flawed even if he didnt personaly order the specific village massacre(s)
He did and he admitted it
he admitted ordering it or he admited that it happened and he knew and didnt condemn in a shit happens short of way
As far as I know he was there, and admitted full responsibility for it
"Abimael Guzmán told the Truth and Reconciliation Commission "We, doctors, reiterate that we will not avoid our responsibility [for the Lucanamarca massacre]. I have mine, I'm the first one responsible, and I will never renounce my responsibility, that wouldn't make any sense."[
So are we positive he did that or was that anti-communist propaganda?
From what I understand the boiling babies thing is kind of a meme exaggeration but he did fully admit to ordering the massacre of a village where 25% of the victims were under the age of 18, and several more were women(including pregnant ones) or elderly. And also that parts of the massacre included scalding people with boiling water, havent seen specifically that it was the children who were tortured in this manner.
He does kinda half heartedly call these actions "excesses" but he says that it would be more counterproductive to put restrictions on the revolution to halt things or some shit, and that the explicit goal of spreading fear of the Shining Path was achieved, so pure terror tactics.
During the Chinese civil war, didn't the CCP have a conscious strategy of treating civilians well and punishing those among their own ranks who transgressed against civilians?
That seems like a better strategy for a guerilla movement that depends on the support of the common people to succeed.
Oh absolutely, Mao's strategy of surrounding the cities and whatnot hinges on popular mass support in the countrysides.
edit your comment. we only use CPC here
mods: sorry i fucked up reporting this guy i thought he talked about the CPC but its about the phillippinese, im so sorry
ed. nvm
I havent read much on the civil war but if that is the case thats a very obviously better tactic. The Shining Path shit of revenge killings and public displays of violence like nailing dogs to telephone poles is just making yourself look like a cartel. Which if the stuff Ive seen about them later on of them being involved in the drug trade is accurate, is what they basically became.
explicit goal of spreading fear of the Shining Path was achieved
That sounds evil, did he realize he was evil?
Its like he saw the critique of propaganda of the deed("This bullshit only scares people cause they see nothing but the bombs and random shootings and the target gets replaced anyways") and decided "But wait, what if we target the people directly for the actions of single individuals!?"