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General BuyEuropean product database: https://buy-european.net/ (relevant post with background info)
Switching your tech to European TLDR: https://better-tech.eu/tldr/ (relevant post)
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Am American in tech. I would like to come help. Actively trying to get out of this country.
Ah, yes, BTW, people are talking as if immigration doesn't exist.
Once upon a time a certain Eastern Roman Empire was dealt the final blow by Ottoman Turks, and its former inhabitants possessing very valuable competencies and knowledge would be plentiful in South Europe.
Perhaps had that not happened, Europeans would get to the "colonizing the new world" activity a couple of centuries later.
"American silicon valley, European silicon valley, all made in Taiwan"
~Some Ukrainian guy probably
Why ban? Tax it.
You need to have something shitty to see if the other thing is good. Otherwise we will just build EU-approved Meta that does the same shit from all over again.
And use the tax money to help fund open source alternatives? Yes please
Better enforcment of GDPR and DSA may be enought to effectively ban big US tech without passing any new law.
I'm an American who has worked in tech for nearly 30 years and I fully support this, so much so that I'm considering moving to Europe to help build it.
Likewise. Actively trying to figure out how to network out of the United States.
How about no??
Silicon Valley is an epicenter for the world's most expensive narcicism. For 5k a ticket you'll get first rate sycophancy, the kind Nero would enjoy. There's probably about as many dead sex workers buried underneath silicon valley as there are indigenous corpses underneath boarding schools.
No joke, Silicon Valley needs to die - in a fire.
... And it even doesn't do anymore what it did to gain the past glory.
True but that is probably not what the vision is supposed to be.
This brings up a point I've been meaning to make for awhile: I don't think Europe has it in them.
The UK actually did some innovating, I mean Alan Turing himself was a Limey, and back in the day they had the likes of Sinclair and Acorn, and they invented the ARM processor, they're one of very few nations to have a processor architecture to their name. Basically the rest of computing innovation happened in the United States, like the industrial revolution before, we took what Britain invented and ran with it. Meanwhile Western Europe has had fuck all influence in the last 50 years of computing. The World Wide Web was invented at CERN, sure...by an Englishman. 35 years later, let's take a look at the top 50 visited websites worldwide and see just what Europe has done with their groundbreaking tech.
Of the 50, 30 are American. The top nine: Google, Youtube, Facebook, Instagram, ChatGPT, X/Twitter, WhatsApp, Reddit and Wikipedia, are American. Tenth is Yahoo Japan followed by Yahoo!. The UK does not place on the list, and only four websites are from the EU: Xvideos and XNXX are French, Xhamster and Stripchat are...What's the adjective for 'from Cyprus?" Cyprian? Cyprese? Cypriot, apparently. "Honorable" mentions to Canada and India for their only entries, Pornhub and Eporner respectively.
Meanwhile, South Korea makes the list twice for Samsung.com and Naver.com, which is apparently their Google; they do everything from search and email to online payments and ISP. I'm pretty sure that if the US is descendant, the future is Asian, not European.
Microsoft, Google, Apple, IBM, Intel, AMD, Nvidia, Europe has got nothing that even sort of competes with any of them, so for the last few months they've been publishing headlines about another township switching their computers from Windows to Linux. At one point there was announcement that EurOS or whatever they were going to call it was going to be a fork of Fedora...because they forgot SuSe Linux exists. They boldly announced they were switching from getting software directly from Microsoft, to getting it indirectly from IBM. For their x86 computers.
I simply don't think Europeans have it in them; the ones that did moved to the US over the last century and a half.
The top nine: Google, Youtube, Facebook, Instagram, ChatGPT, X/Twitter, WhatsApp, Reddit and Wikipedia, are American. Tenth is Yahoo Japan followed by Yahoo!.
Those American things you list, they are not very good.
This brings up a point Iโve been meaning to make for awhile: I donโt think Europe has it in them.
Do you know who Fabrice Bellard is?
Do you know who, ah, ok, Linus Torvalds counts as a USian by now.
KDE developers are mostly from the EU, I think.
Opera browser, when that was a thing, were mostly from European countries, I think.
Nokia, eh, Nokia, Nokia. Siemens. Sony Ericsson. Bosch. German carmakers.
Minitel, do you know what Minitel was?
Many of the fundamental things used everywhere, like some error-correcting codes for satellite communications, have people from the EU as authors.
Actually, I think if you compare fundamental achievements, and not commercial ones, you'll see that European countries are not that far behind.
Microsoft, Google, Apple, IBM, Intel, AMD, Nvidia, Europe has got nothing that even sort of competes with any of them
Yeah, the hardware production thing is generally sad. This wasn't so even in the early 90s, so my own modest honest opinion is that this was killed because of the US creeping patent war. Similarly to other things. A relatively recent development.
I mean, yeah, competencies don't pop up overnight, but frankly there's no magic in making a computer.
There's hardly achievable level of minimization, involving patents impeding competition and very narrow margins, which prevent anything outside of the main "computing silk road" of ASML-TSMC-Intel&AMD&ARM from functioning.
If it were up for me, I'd just say that late 80s' computers were good enough. Or at least early 90s' ones. When that "computing silk road" hadn't yet become as unavoidable.
and only four websites are from the EU: Xvideos and XNXX are French
France is still a great nation.
I simply donโt think Europeans have it in them; the ones that did moved to the US over the last century and a half.
Y-yeah, that part has changed a lot, because on the other end of the pond there's not much "innovation" now too.
Does it really matter if the American entries are "good" or not? Where's Europe's answer to...any of this?
Oh yeah, Nokia, the company that made dumb phones a quarter of a century ago, failed to enter the smart phone market at all, disappeared, was sold to Microsoft as their phone/tablet division, failed again and disappeared again.
Ah Bosch, the makers of my pain in the ass why the fuck did they do it that way router. Particularly the standard base needs to be jawholed up someone's lederhosen.
German automobile manufacturers, whose motto seems to be "Never use a part when a system will do." Expensive and complicated to maintain and not tremendously durable. Meanwhile the Japanese will sell you a war worthy compact pickup truck.
France is still a great nation.
At what, exactly? The Austrians make better wine, the Italians make better food, the Germans make better cars, the Greeks make better spelling, the Swiss make better chocolate and the British make better television. And apparently the Canadians host better porn. From the news of the last few years, all France is apparently good for is rioting against its own government.
The point still stands that the biggest web presence of the entire EU is hosting porn. In the column under "Type" the United States features search engines, video sharing platforms, social media, marketplaces, news, weather, software, email. Russia and China both feature news, email, social media. South Korea manages "consumer electronics" and "news." These places sound like they're trying to run a society, meanwhile Europe has the second through fifth most popular porn sites.
Globo news out of Brazil makes the list but the BBC and Reuters don't?
Also, Temu is American?
"We will produce our own TechBrosโข with blackjack and hookers."
Yes, another Silicon Valley is definitely what we need โ ๏ธ
Even if you are American, you should support this movement. The best way to end or reverse enshittification is through competition. The big American tech companies are no longer competing to make good or innovative products. They are competing to see who can monetize the most while risking the least.
How about helping businesses actually stay in Europe. It's almost impossible to scale up in europe due to insane moats everywhere.
Because people already owning shares in important companies or connections to politicians or company bureaucrats etc - they don't need to scale up. That's intended.
I swear, the humanity is stupid. I just can look at everything around me and see all kinds of socio-economic arguments to be right. All of them at the same time.
You absolutely need to scale up. I've been on several european teams who had to reincorporate under LLC just because its impossible to compete in Europe as a new business. There's just too much moat.
I agree and welcome meaningful regulation but in Europe its absolutely being used as a market moat, especially in tech. People who are defending this looking at this issue through the wrong lense of political theory crafting rather than how these tools are used in practice.
The only places in Europe that are actually growing tech now are Eastern european countries that losen up the moat to allow innovation in and dont have strong incumbents that reinforce the moat.
lol
you don't have to have a silicon valley
Breaking news: oil found in Europe.
There's plenty of oil already found in Europe.
Ban might be a bit much, but we're using tariffs and taxes as a confrontational trade war measure. Might as well use them in return and funnel the proceeds into homegrown solutions that can compete legitimately.