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Whatever will the tugboat fleet do now?? (lemmy.world)
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[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 28 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

Been in repairs since 2018, and they already know they can't defend it from attacks so it's likely not worth anything to keep investing into it.

It was built in what is now Ukraine, and even the shipyard shut down back in 2021.

Anyone with advanced hypersonic missiles may very well be able to take carriers out of commission fairly easily now. China claims they can possibly strip them of their outer coatings with a laser and maybe get them out of the air, but thr U.S. has played it close to the chest as far as I know and not given any info on their resources of taking them down, they just say you can't.

[–] sepi@piefed.social 13 points 4 days ago

What is now Ukraine also used to be Ukraine when the boat was built. It was the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, one of many republics in the Soviet Union of Socialist Republics.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

We almost certainly have a defense against it and no one is making them in huge numbers anyway.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

It would cost around $800 million to make 40 of them. If someone shot 2 a piece at each of our aircraft carriers..

New Carriers are around $120 billion before operation costs. So that's $2.4 trillion is losses off a maybe $2 billion dollar investment by whichever country.

I'd say aircraft carriers are a dying breed

[–] Canonical_Warlock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'd say aircraft carriers are a dying breed

So, I'm hearing that it's time to go back to super heavy battleships.

[–] Exusia@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

I have good returns if you also wager down on ramming bows if you're interested

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

What does history tell us about unproven "superweapons that change the battlefield forever"?

[–] LorIps@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

One just has to look at the destruction predicted to occur from area bombing pre-WW2 and the damage that actually occured

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

Well that's also because we lied so goddamn much about how accurate our bombing ability was that not even the actual bombardier knew.

[–] zerosignal@lemmy.world 25 points 4 days ago (1 children)

RIP Admiral Kuznetsov, you'll always be on fire in my heart

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 8 points 4 days ago

Rust in peace

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They already used the crew as cannon fodder in Ukraine. A ship without a crew is bsically worthless.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I mean, on one hand, yes; on the other hand, if the ship wasn't already in massive disrepair, it would be much cheaper to train even an entire crew than scrap the ship.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That is another reason, yes.

[–] Aqarius@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

Also that the whole reason it is what it is was to smuggle a carrier through Bosphorus.

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 7 points 4 days ago

I liked the takeoff ramp

[–] LorIps@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

Why, oh cruel world, why?!