I went from Keepass synced via NextCloud (self hosted) for years... to trying out Bitwarden (their servers) and found the experience much better... then I switched to Vaultwarden via Docker going through Cloudflare Tunnel (with zero trust email authentication required) and fail2ban added. I'm content with the last option.
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To improve security of option 1 you could use a keyfile, that is either only transferred manually to devices or stored at a second cloud provider.
I've been using option 1 for many many years. It lets me keep control of the encryption, and it's accessible just about anywhere.
I'm currently hosting vaultwarden on my rack, mostly just because I can really. It's easy enough and I have plenty of resources.
Option 1, except for the cloud bit. My KeePass file is stored in a restricted shared folder on my home file server, and auto-syncs to my phone on the rare occasion I update it from my desktop.
Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I've seen in this thread:
| Fewer Letters | More Letters |
|---|---|
| DNS | Domain Name Service/System |
| Git | Popular version control system, primarily for code |
| IP | Internet Protocol |
| NAS | Network-Attached Storage |
| SSH | Secure Shell for remote terminal access |
| VPN | Virtual Private Network |
| VPS | Virtual Private Server (opposed to shared hosting) |
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I switched to proton pass after using bitwarden for a couple years
Been using option 3 but with Bitwarden for almost 5 years at this point. First started out on a VM in a cloud provider. Now it's in a VM on unraid behind a local HAProxy or Cloudflare tunnel for remote access.
Bitwardens full docker stack provides great daily backups which I've had to restore on occasion or go back to one from months ago to dig out a password for my wife.
Been testing and hoping to move to the unified-container from them soon, assuming I can replicate encrypted backups like their solution.
I do 3 and have encrypted backups to Dropbox so I can easy restore/spin up a cloud server if I need to
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I'm currently using KeePassXC. The setup that I created below gives me 3-backups of my passwords, but it's a bit to manage.
Computer
On my computer, I have my keepassxc database and key file stored in a veracrypt container. Next to my computer, I have a piece of paper that has the password for my keepassxc database and the password for my veracrypt container.
computer -> veracrypt container -> keepassxc database AND keepassxc key file
paper -> keepassxc database pw AND veracrypt pw
KeePassXC Export File (text file that contains all of my login information)
I store this file inside of a veracrypt container, on my USB LUKS. Next to my USB LUKS, I have a piece of paper that has the associated veracrypt password.
usb luks -> veracrypt container -> keepassxc export file
paper -> veracrypt pw
Cloud
I store my database in cloud service a.
I store my key file in a veracrypt container, in cloud service b.
On a piece of paper, I have the login information to both of these cloud accounts and the password for the veracrypt container.
I like Enpass. $25 lifetime sub via Stack social. Does the trick. If they ever pull the rug out on lifetime folks, I would go to Bitwarden.
I ended up scoring a free lifetime membership years ago, but is their stuff open source? I never fully trusted it, so I didn't end up using it for anything
It's not open source, so that's an easy deal breaker for some. Considering the vaults are encrypted and Enpass itself stores nothing on their servers, I've been okay with it. The vaults just exist on my phone and wherever I've chosen to back it up (OneDrive, GDrive, Nextcloud, NAS, etc).
Enpass uses the open source library sqlcipher (which is an sqlite fork with encryption). So while Enpass as a whole is not fully open source, you can still exfiltrate your passwords with open source tools, should they ever vanish or radically change their business model. You can then use for example enpass-cli.
That gives me enough confidence to trust in Enpass, since they can't easily hold my data hostage.
I did option 1 for a number of years but now I'm doing option 3 off a proxmox container and some cloud scripted backup. So far so good.
We just started doing option 3 at work and just keep it behind the firewall. It is going well so far.
Option 2, because once you start thinking about the ways your stuff could be stolen ("threat modelling") you'll see that realistically it's the easiest option.
I like LessPass, essentially you choose one password and then it generates secure passwords for each website, since it uses a predefined generation algorithm it's completely offline and doesn't need syncing it's very secure. However it has the inconvenience of needing to remember the way you spelled the website, but if you stick to something like all lowercase it's fine.