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[–] nasi_goreng@lemmy.zip 51 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Lol, as Javanese, It's funny that Javanese ethnic name -> Javanese coffee -> Javanese programming language.

People still keep thinking that I was a programmer or making a typo of Japanese everytime I mention I speak Javanese.

[–] meliaesc@lemmy.world 25 points 6 days ago (2 children)

The language was initially called Oak after an oak tree that stood outside

Things could have been a lot different!

[–] juja@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago

Oakscript does have a certain ring to it

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 10 points 6 days ago

"fucking oak what the fuck" still works so not that different

[–] wolf@lemmy.zip 41 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Java is IMHO one of the most underrated platforms outside of enterprise environments.

Most people also forget, that Java is not only a language, but also a platform, an ecosystem and active research is applied to many parts of Java.

Concerning Oracle: OpenJDK is actively supported by very different but big and capable companies (IBM, Amazon, Eclipse Foundation...). The quality of the language, libraries and documentation needs people which are payed to work on this, full time.

Bring to this the free IDEs one can get for Java - Eclipse and Netbeans are a little bit old school, but offer everything to build/debug and develop complex software.

Java is not my favorite programming language, but when I want to write interesting software and ensure it will be running for the next decade w/o significant changes, Java is really hard to beat.

Of course, in hindsight we know how to do a lot of things better as they were done in Java. Still, what other open source Language/Platform/documentation with the backing of capable companies and really independent and interoperable builds are out there?

One last note to all people which were damaged by Java in university or school: Usually the teachers/professors/lecturers have no real world experience of software development besides the usually university projects, and for the usual university projects which basically means getting small to midsize projects to run Java is total overkill.

Don't confuse this with real world software projects in the industry, which are mission critical and need to work a decade from now on. Java was always a bread and butter language, but one which learned from other languages and even the verbosity makes sense, once one dives into code written a few years back by another person.

[–] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 9 points 6 days ago

Usually the teachers/professors/lecturers have no real world experience of software development besides the usually university projects

Adding to this: university projects are built on a relatively short timeframe compared to many industry projects. The growing pains that typically occur after a few years of continuous development is unlikely with the small scale of university projects.

I wouldn’t go to a university professor for advice on how to build a system that will last a decade of development.

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[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago

I keep Java installed for one thing and one thing only... modded Minecraft.

[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 20 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (5 children)

I liked Java a lot more before Oracle acquired Sun. I've used Oracle databases enough to hate Oracle with the passion of a supernova.

[–] deathmetal27@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago

I think I need to clear a common misconception people seem to have here: Oracle has very little to do with Java.

At most, Oracle has the following connection to Java:

  • Own the trademark
  • Have a build of the JDK/JRE with commercial support.

However, Java as a language's baseline comes from OpenJDK, an open source (GPL 2.0) community project which is upstream to several builds including Oracle's JVM. It follows a "bazaar" like development model similar to the Linux kernel where you can see their mailing lists and track what's being worked on. Anyone can contribute and the code is on Github: https://github.com/openjdk/jdk.

That being said, you don't even need to use Oracle's JDK (it sucks IMO) and use one of the community provided builds of OpenJDK. OpenJDK builds are provided by Eclipse, Amazon, Azul, Bellsoft and even Microsoft provides JDK/JRE builds. These are free of cost and have longer term support than Oracle's offering.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)
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[–] _NetNomad@fedia.io 22 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Unlike other older languages, such as Cobol and Fortran -- which are still used, but almost always in legacy projects -- Java has constantly evolved to meet new demands while maintaining backward compatibility.

can't speak on the FORTRAN claim but with COBOL this couldn't be less true. last i checked the newest Enterprise COBOL LTS is newer than Java's

[–] 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The difference is people still write Java, regardless of whether it's a dated pos or not, so the use cases have evolved

Then there's the use of the JVM/JRE which have evolved even more due to Scala, Clojure & Kotlin

[–] _NetNomad@fedia.io 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

COBOL is still being updated because, believe it or not, people are still writing COBOL

[–] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

People aren’t writing new projects in COBOL. It’s mostly to maintain 40+ year old systems. Unless you’re working in the bank sector, it’s unlikely you will write a program in COBOL.

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[–] who@feddit.org 20 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (6 children)

I attribute Java's uptake to a large amount of marketing and support, which led to a massive ecosystem. Even a mediocre language like this one can find success when propped up like that.

[–] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 19 points 6 days ago (3 children)

OOP was hype during the 90s. Schools adapted their curriculum to this trend. So they needed a programming language for this, and Java became the choice. C++ is too tricky as a first language.

The result is that a lot of people knew Java, which means it’s a good choice of language if you want to recruit programmers.

I believe most of Java’s success was luck. It released at the perfect time.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (3 children)

OOP makes so much sense. What happened?

[–] anti_antidote@lemmy.zip 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The AbstractionBubbleFactory popped

[–] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 9 points 6 days ago

AbstractionBubbleBuilderFactoryStrategyImplementation mind you

[–] jenesaisquoi@feddit.org 7 points 6 days ago

Many people increasingly find that using functional patterns enables them to build more reliable software.

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[–] hex123456@sh.itjust.works 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Java was the new hotness when I was in the middle of my comp sci degree. The biggest benefit I found was javadocs. Other languages had shit documentation that usually didn’t match reality in comparison.

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[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

JVM isn't mediocre. Really-really.

I don't like something aesthetically about Java, can't quite nail what, and don't like long-long namespace strings, but these are my personal limitations.

Ah. I also don't like OOP.

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[–] YurkshireLad@lemmy.ca 13 points 6 days ago (5 children)

I think Java was first released just after I graduated. I do program Java at my day job though, and I don’t mind it. It has its quirks but I find I can express myself using Java, but I probably try to think towards much in OO paradigms when I design and code.

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[–] Zenith@lemm.ee 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

This dude came to my spouses work to do some sort of work/help (I don’t know the exact details) and someone wrote a doc he needed to review. It was a lot of work not just like a few notes but a proper doc and all he wrote back upon “reviewing” it was a thumbs up emoji!! 👍🏻 everyone was shocked lol, no feed back, no notes nothing just 👍🏻

[–] gamer@lemm.ee 9 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I used Java years ago for Android dev, but stopped when I stopped doing that. Every once in a while I'll get the itch to work on a new project, and always wonder if Java would be a good idea.

My hesitance is that I don't trust Oracle (and don't know to what extent they're involved nowadays), I'm not familiar enough with the ecosystem to know what is legacy crap to avoid, and I think it's generally seen as an uncool language, and I'm way too cool to be taking such risks.

[–] MaggiWuerze@feddit.org 13 points 6 days ago (2 children)

If you want to do something java like, try Kotlin. Its a more modern take on java and not developed by Oracle

[–] pycorax@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

I'm so grateful for Kotlin, it gets rid of so much of the annoyances in Java.

[–] Pieisawesome@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Kotlin is very similar to C# in my opinion.

It’s a happy middle ground for me

[–] hasnep@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Ironic considering C# was supposed to be very similar to Java

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[–] jenesaisquoi@feddit.org 7 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Kotlin is now the language of choice for Android.

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[–] ferrule@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

java was my 5th language, having just missed it as the AP CS language in highschool by a year. oddly i could not get behind such a massive standard library having come from BASIC, Pascal C++, ASM, VHDL. now after 30 years of programing i write Java web services for a living. feels strange.

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