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submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by Loucypher@lemmy.ml to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml
 

I am failing to see the interest in having tons of IOT devices to manage, connect, segment, etc… Why would someone want to do it? To be clear, I have friends deep in it but… I still don’t understand. Can anyone try to explain the magic I am failing to see?

Edit: Thank you all for sharing your experiences! The ones I found more interesting are those that can easily translate in reducing or tracking consumption. The rest I hear but makes more sense when I look at it from an hobbyist perspective.

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[–] BorgDrone@lemmy.one 3 points 9 months ago

As others said, fun and convenience.

For example: when I start a movie, the lights in my living room dim or turn off automatically. Sure, I could get up and do and set several lights manually, but I would probably not bother and watch a movie in a lit room. When I stop or pause the movie, lights go back to the normal setting.

If it’s dark when I get home and I open the front door, it starts the default lighting program. Sure I could fumble for the light switches in the dark, but it’s another convenience.

[–] not_amm@beehaw.org 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'd only like smart windows and lights, since I like low yellow light at night and to open the windows in the morning and to close them later. But I don't like the idea of Amazon or Google having my house (and conversations, internet traffic, etc.) even more at their disposal, that's why I avoid to invest on IoT devices right now.

Also, there's the getting locked out of your own house: https://medium.com/@bjax_/a-tale-of-unwanted-disruption-my-week-without-amazon-df1074e3818b

[–] unknowing8343@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

But you can totally build a smart home without Google or Amazon having to do anything with it. Just use HomeAssistant.

[–] not_amm@beehaw.org 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Oh, of course! I was referring only to Google and Amazon because I'd need to invest a lot more if I want an independent and open smart home, which is unnecessary and expensive for me right now.

Alexa and Google Assistant are the default option in México, shipping alternatives is both expensive and hard :)

[–] thequickben@beehaw.org 3 points 9 months ago

FYI, you can run homeassistant on a raspberry pi or even cheaper hardware, or on an existing or old machine.

[–] unknowing8343@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Hmmm... the price difference is almost non-existent. Do some research, I am sure you can find a cheap server (Raspberry Pi maybe) and a cheap Sonoff Zigbee hub for not much more than an Amazon Echo 4.

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[–] BeefPiano@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Like someone else said, it’s a hobby. I spend money on things, they make me happy for a little bit, they make problems for me, rinse, repeat.

Why do people go fishing when you can buy fish in the store? Why do people draw instead of taking pictures?

It’s nice to go to bed with all the lights on, press a button and have them all go off. It’s nice to have the doors lock when I leave and unlock when I come home. It’s nice to get an alert on my phone if my garage door is open when I leave. It’s nice that all the lights come on as the sun sets.

None of these are necessary, but all of them are nice and it would be annoying if I had to go back to dumb lights.

[–] Vertelleus@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 months ago

Automate_the_boring_stuff == more_time_for_fun

[–] Coreidan@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

I manually turn my lights on and off. Life is so hard for me.

[–] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

My home automation setup includes:

  • Texting me and/or my wife whenever the washer or dryer in the basement finishes a load of laundry, but only if we’re home. If neither is home then it waits until one of us is and only texts that person.

  • Turns on exterior / driveway lights when one of us arrives home after dark.

  • Turns off exterior / driveway lights when we have both left home.

  • Sets our Ecobee thermostats to “away” when we have both left home, and to “home” when somebody arrives home.

I also have a “bedtime” button that ensures all lights are off, thermostats are set to their “sleep” profile, and doors are locked.

Those are the nicer things we use pretty much daily. We have others as well.

[–] Mkengine@feddit.de 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I am starting with home automation and I am always fascinated by some of the idea I read on the Internet. Did you come up with this yourself or is there a list of conditions and triggers with devices somewhere I can use with Home Assistant?

[–] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

I came up with these myself over time, they started 10+ years ago using a Mac platform called Indigo, but since moving into our new house a year ago I've switched over to Home Assistant as well. I have a background that includes 10 years of software development & another 15 of IT, so these sorts of things come fairly easily to me when I think about it a bit.

My wife and I use iPhones and I found iCloud3, which is a great add-on that tracks locations based on those devices. I started out with the washer/dryer notification with the simple realization that we regularly forgot about laundry in our washer in the basement since we'd forget that we had started a load. So I figured out how to have HA send us alerts when the washer or dryer finished. But I quickly realized that wasn't all that useful if one or both of us was at work, shopping, etc. I then realized I could set up a trigger based on a time schedule that checks if we're home or not, and only sends the alert if we are. So I have a HA automation that is triggered every 10 minutes by a timer, but the timer is disabled by default. That automation uses iCloud3 to check if either of us are home. If we are then the automation calls a script to notify us. If we're not home then the automation resets the timer for 10 minutes. When the washer completes it triggers an automation that just starts that timer running. That gives us a little time to park the car, bring in any groceries, etc. before being reminded that we have laundry waiting.

[–] Darkscryber@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

How do you do the "both away or home"?

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[–] local_taxi_fix@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

For me it's a fun hobby, plain and simple. Some people like maintaining saltwater tanks, some people like miniature train sets, I like maintaining a smart home and automating repeat tasks.

[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 2 points 9 months ago

I'm disabled and while I don't have anything set up yet (mostly because I've been looking to move house for a while), and even when I do, I probably won't tinker with it much since that's not really my thing, some home automation would make a huge difference in my life..

So no magic, just accessibility.. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[–] brygphilomena@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

For a lot of things, it's a solution in search of a problem. I set it up on its own vlan because since I do networking every day for work segmenting things off is really simple for me.

I only have a handful of automations that I use.

  • Turn on the garage backyard lights and the back door lights when I get home after sunset.

  • Send my robo vacuum out whenever I leave the house for more than 5 minutes.

  • Turn on the porch light and the exterior housing lights at sunset and off at sunrise.

  • A button to turn off all the lights on my house on my phone that I use every night when I go to bed.

  • A button in my living room that turns on two table lamps, a floor lamp, and some accent lights instead of turning them all on individually. It also turns them all off.

  • Scene buttons at the bar that will turn on multiple lights and change colors. I'm planning to do animations with the lights here so that I can press a button and the lights do a little dance.

I don't really like motion sensors for rooms or areas because there are a lot of times I come in I don't actually want the lights on. I also don't have a million sensors because I don't want to deal with batteries or really care about everything. Things should have a purpose and not just lights that feel like they are there just for the sake of "hey look, I have lights that do something."

[–] BillDaCatt@kbin.social 2 points 9 months ago

I use it to control some of the lights in my house. WiFi enabled plugs and switches are more convenient than having to go to each one and manually reprogram them. In my bedroom, I have one set to turn on every day at 7am and again at 9am in case I turn it off and go back to bed. It's basically a silent alarm clock.

I also have WiFi control for the mini-split (AC and heat) in my workshop. I can view the set temperature vs the actual temperature from my phone and I can adjust the temperature remotely if I want.

[–] Catsrules@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago

It is fun to do.

But for practical reasons the biggest thing for me has been easily connecting switches together.

For example my kitchen has two big lights. Each light has its own switch but they put the switches in the opposite side of the room, so if you want both on you need to turn on one walk across the kitchen to turn on the other and do the same thing to turn them off.

With automation/IOT I can now logically connect the switches together so turning on one switch will turn on the other.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Being able to turn lights on and off on four different levels of a house simplifies life without having to run up and down stairs with dodgy knees. A connected doorbell camera is also quite useful for being alerted when mail or packages are delivered, especially if nobody's home, and for screening solicitors. Voice assistants in multiple rooms aid in control of these and other features, especially when busy.

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Laziness and/or sometimes genuine medical needs

[–] LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What I really want is a smart home that tells me that the stove is on and been unattended for over 20 minutes now.

And which can tell me which when I went to bed last night.

Obviously it would have to be offline not some crowd service lives streaming to the NSA.

[–] Maestro@kbin.social 3 points 9 months ago

Home Assistant can do that. Put a Shelly smart plug in the stove outlet to see if it's using power (or do you have an old fasioned gas stove?). It can also track what time you turned off your lights last night.

[–] Carol2852@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 9 months ago

I'm using home assistant with thermostats and humidity/temperature sensors mostly to get information how the house heats and how the rooms are affected by humidity and temperature changes.

I also automated two dehumidifiers with those sensors and zigbee plugs to not run 24/7 but in defined windows when the noise isn't bothering anyone and if the humidity triggers certain thresholds. The automation also has hysteresis sesstongs so the devices do not constantly turn on and off.

In general I don't automate to a point where I can just flick a switch or turn on something manually. But it is nice to be able to control and see everything.

[–] spaphy@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago

Having my lights turn off from a voice control is really useful when I want to take a nap but I found that it was weird having all this shit tied into a strangers cloud (google, amazon, apple, whatever). If its hosted at home its usually just fine. As long as ET doesn't phone home.

[–] okamiueru@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Here is a list of some practical uses so far:

  • Get a notification on the phone when the washer is done.
  • Charge the car when electricity is cheap
  • Turn on humidifier if sufficiently humid and no motion near it for a while
  • Automatically lock the front door at night
  • Toggle lights with a shortcut key on the keyboard
  • Change target thermostats for different rooms and different time of day.

Also nice to learn about the house:

  • Breakdown of electricity usage. (How much actually goes to heating, car, etc)
  • Answer questions like "When did I really go to bed last night?". Etc
[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It’s new, shiny, and trendy. It for me, personally, I like being able to have certain lights turn on and off at certain times automatically. I love the idea of being able to control thermostats from my phone. And then there are the less that backlight my tv. Those are purely cosmetic, but such fun because they match the colors on the screen.

[–] fidodo@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

I use smart bulbs and they're really handy since you can put them on a schedule and change their color. For example I used a smart outlet to run some grow lights so I could grow some seedlings and turn them on before I wake up. Have porch lights on a timer.

But other than lights I haven't seen any use cases I care about.

[–] Towerofpain11@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I do it mostly because I'm forgetful. So I automate what I forget. For example I always forget I've put the washing on so I get repeating alerts to hang it out. The alerts stop once I've scanned the NFC tag on the washing machine.

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