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Go fuck yourself. Now. Fucking cunt cheese nanny state wastes of fucking skin.
Kindly find a porto potty, eat everything inside of it, and die in fucking agony. Please.
Deep breaths, in and out. And once you're calmed down, please consider why you want someone to die in agony over watermelon flavored vapor
Disposable vapes should be banned, single use batteries are a crime against nature
Ive seen a single use vape that has a touch screen on it and you can connect to your phone. What a colossal waste of resources.
I watched a video of Guy who collected a ton of them off the ground and built a USB power bank with them. They were rechargeable li on batteries. It is crazy.
If they want to ban flavored vapes, they're not "anti-smoking" groups - they're anti-vaping groups and thus pro-smoking groups.
A similar point to be made, we tried this style of legislation in Australia.
Under the guise this was for the publics interest, the only 'legal' vapes you can buy in the country now are manufactured by Phillip Morris International and other big tobacco companies.
The blackmarket continues to thrive and with it organised crime grows, have yet to see a pharmacy that stocks 'legal' vapes.
Police in my local area are either paid off or get black market tobacco products for free to turn a blind eye to this issue, can't imagine thats limited to my area only.
I'm all for regulation around nicotine products but I sure as shit wouldn't trust a pollie to make decent legislation around it at this point in time.
Eh, their argument is that children vaping leads to nicotine addiction leads to smoking. It's not a great argument, but it's not entirely without merit. Someone who is using vaping as a more healthy alternative to smoking is already accustomed to the flavor of cigarettes. Flavored vapes aren't necessary for the smoker to switch.
Nicotine juice has been flavored from the very start. Way back in the day when premixed juices didn't even exist and vapers - who were pretty much exclusively smokers looking for a safer alternative - had to buy propylene glycol and nicotine extract and mix it themselves, we also bought flavoring, because the simple fact of the matter is that unflavored nicotine juice doesn't taste like cigarettes - it tastes sorr of like hand sanitizer mixed with ear wax.
This whole uproar about flavored vapes is a bizarre fiction being promoted by busybody assholes and idiots - by crusading fuckwads using something they self-evidently know absolutely nothing about to feed their desperate and pathetic need to feel self-righteous.
After thirty years of trying and failing to quit smoking, vaping is almost certainly the only reason I'm alive today, and these foul busybody shitbags want to ruin that for me and everyone else in the same position, and bluntly, fuck them. They're fucking scum.
You got it right!
I went from Skoal to those home-brew vape juices when...about 2010 or 11. Hardly vaped, just put it on a pad under my lip.
Hated the taste of burning cigarettes, loved some of those fruit flavours. Finally my drug tasted good. Flavour for an old man, not the kids.
Quit 3 years ago and still crave. Horrible time. Quit alcohol 15 years ago with less problems. But quitting is just terrible, no matter the drug.
Somebody who hasn't struggled with addiction doesn't get much cred in these discussions, from me.
I kind of love how you acknowledge how addictive nicotine is, yet can't fathom tobacco companies, the same people who lied to their customers for decades to keep their industry afloat, making products specifically to entice new users at an easily suggestible stage in their life.
This whole thread is fucking wild.
Yeah, I was waiting to reply with, "If you prioritize your convenience over harm to children, just own it." But all I got was downvotes.
The shit this guy spits at petitioners is beyond belief, but the fact everyone's with him is incomprehensible. All over some shit he acknowledges he can just do in his kitchen, without commercial support, using the drugs nobody's talking about banning.
Meanwhile any implication of 'would you have wanted someone to prevent your addiction?' goes totally unanswered.
Well, a part of me just wants to watch the world burn, and this and posts like it sate that desire. It's also a good reminder to use Voyager's tags so I remember this guy if we cross paths again.
It's not that I "can't fathom" it as that I know that it's complete snd total bullshit.
Tobacco companies didn't invent vsping - ordinary people did. And tobacco companies didn't originate the idea of flavoring it - the same ordinary people did. We did it because we prefer it that way.
And then years later, some bunch of self-righteous twats who know absolutely nothing about yhe actial history of ot come stumbling along and start blathering a bunch of fucking nonsense about the evil tobacvo companies flavoring juice to enticevkids.
Motherfucker - I was flavoring juice myself when tobacco companies didn't even know vaping existed - when it was just a handful of people on a forum experimenting with attaching homemade nichrome coils to modified flashlights.
So don't fucking presume to tell me what I can or can't "fathom."
I think there is a big difference in the appeal of vapes to younger audiences when we account for the flavors. Tobacco and other boring flavors are great for quiting. An arrary of sweet and fruity flavors make people want to try more flavors and also vape more frequently because the brain is itching for that hit of sweetness as well as hits of nicotine.
Why would vaping have to lead to smoking for nicotine addiction to be bad?
Going from smoking to vaping is a massive improvement. Basically zero downsides.
Starting a nicotine addiction is still detrimental to your health.
I smoke flavored eliquid. I don't want you to choose what I can and can't do. I'm not a kid and I know the risks.
Come up with some actual improvements instead of pushing everything into the underground. Like actually start to punishing people that sell to kids. Smh
Lower home values would be a popular policy to focus on, instead of trying to moralize while innocent people suffer.
[Imperial Tobacco Canada] also supports the federal government’s regulations to limit flavours to tobacco, mint and menthol
Tobacco companies and nanny state crusaders: United in wanting to make vaping less tasty.
If they really cared about the youth they would also ban flavoured alcohol
They should only allow you to buy little bottles just like with edibles.
Grey market is king, I've seen a 3000mg edible. Sadly I didn't have a week off work so I couldn't buy it...
What counts as "flavored alcohol"?
I think everclear and vodka are basically the only two that aren't typically flavored with something
All of it. Don't fucking ban stuff for adults; monitor your children.
What do you want to be banned...the smoking or the nicotine?
All the junk from burning plant matter kills you slowly. Nicotine in small amounts is horribly addictive; that is what keeps the smoking going. Or vaping. Or any other tobacco. I speak from decades of experience, I used them all, from 12 years old to 77. Quitting the nicotine was hell, and the vehicle did not matter.
So ban the damn nicotine and be done with it. Poo on all the people making money out of it, they are drug dealers.
At this point the political will just dies.
Nicotine is somewhat addictive. It's not that bad on its own. Quitting nicotine vapes was about as hard as quitting caffeine for me.
I believe in an adult's right to choose, and harm reduction. The government isn't here to tell us what's morally right and wrong, it's here to define our rights and privileges. It's fine to restrict where one can smoke or vape because that involves other people. I think it's a waste of government resources to try and tell people what they "ought" to be doing with their own bodies (because they will never succeed, and it's not their job.)
Harm reduction means preventing addiction. Flavored tobacco products have always been about getting people addicted early - because that's when it works. That's when this highly addictive drug creates dependency. Especially if taken in high doses with rapid absorption... which is downright pleasant, if it tastes like candy, instead of licking an ashtray.
What do you want to be banned...the smoking or the nicotine?
In this case I saw the news article and I wanted to hear people's thoughts on it. I learned a lot from the comments, and appreciate you adding your perspective, thank you :)
Back to illigal unregulated products then. You know, the stuff that killed a handful of people a couple years ago...
Holy fuck I hate you nanny staters.
The Government of Canada and Health Canada created this mess all on their own, and here's how it happened ...
On Jan 1, 2021 the feds enacted new vape laws based on Child Resistant packaging. The committee who recommended the restrictions had found a single instance from the early '00s of a US child who had died from consuming vape liquid. From that the committee decided that all vaping products (including juice, RTAs, RTDs, etc) had to be childproof. Now it's pretty easy to make vape juice containers childproof ... but not so easy to make tanks childproof.
Right along side of that are the disposable vapes who were making headway into the market. And ofc they are childproof (concerning the liquid anyway).
It didn't take long for the more expensive mods and tanks to disappear from the market, leaving only the cheap and easily accessable disposables ... which kids can afford and often have access to.
So instead of fixing the current laws the gov't has instead decided to add to them ... leading to restrictions on flavours.
It's interesting that cannabis oil vapes (side note i find these worse in almost every way to a dry herb vape and don't understand the popularity) almost always have disposable tanks attached towith reusable batteries in contrast to nicotine almost always fully disposable.
Boy, we're hitting the big issues here, guys