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Under what conditions would you be OK with ads on your lemmy instance? (lemmy.ml)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by makeasnek@lemmy.ml to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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I'll start:

Some significant portion of funds go towards development of the Lemmy software. 80%? Rest goes to lemmy instance hosting.
Ads are reasonable and non-intrusive (no popups etc)
People can still browse w/ an adblocker

I personally would gladly turn off my adblocker if I knew the ads were supporting development. Hell, I might even click a few!

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[–] Grownbravy@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

Despite how necessary it is to pay for hosting, ads have ruined nearly all browsing experiences save one site where the ads were maintained by the site themselves and could be purchased by the users to advertise threads.

I doubt any of the instances have a mod team large enough to want to maintain dedicated “For Sale” comms and make sure nothing dubious is going on.

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If a website needs ads to thrive, it needs ads to thrive. I don't look forward to playing the role of both the beggar and the chooser. As I explain here, under the exact circumstances of today, I'm not afraid to say I'm judgy when someone mentions adblock usage.

[+] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

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[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Different things work for everyone, especially depending on the demographics. That's an administrative thing, I am a guest.

[+] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

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[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Suppose you encounter a property. It says "no trespassing" on it. However, it has no security, and you realize under no circumstances will there be consequences if you snuck in and did whatever you want, not even disappointment, even though a sign specifies it would be frowned upon. Would that make it moral?

When people modify an experience like this, they're always thinking of themselves. If people could cover billboards along a road with toilet paper, I'm sure they'd do it, even though there's a reason they're there. It might be a weird place to redirect to, but someone explains perfectly here towards the end. A place's choice of maintenance is a part of its boundaries. Being courteous is the least one can do.

[–] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That’s a faulty comparison for so many reasons it’s hard to pick where to begin tbh.

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It says in the TOS that ads are a thing and will remain a thing. If they gave me a button that makes them poof, it wouldn't change that.

[–] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

There is a lot of nuance here you seem to be glossing over or maybe aren’t aware of. I don’t go out of my way to block YouTube ads as-displayed (usually videos) because the relationship with the actual ad is very clear. However, I do use a VPN, little snitch mini, and other extension/software when I am browsing YouTube. Just because I clicked on your website does not mean I willingly consented to your vacuuming every little detail about me to then package and sell to other parties or leverage to “better serve me ads.”

ToS aren’t a moral imperative, they aren’t even legal one. Companies are welcome to try within the bounds of the law (which they regularly break mind you) to learn info about me. And I am within my rights to make that information as opaque as possible. It is not a moral duty to let Google figure out someone’s menstrual cycle or who you plan to vote for simply because you looked up a cocktail recipe or something.

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why do you think most websites today come with a "this website uses cookies" agreement at the top or bottom of the screen even before you sign up? By pressing "I agree", one could say you're saying you agree. You might argue "but I didn't sign up for the website", but it's not like someone out there can gatekeep what is considered "signing up". A TOS in any form is a contract, and what goes on within a website is up to its creators who made it. To use another semi-analogy, you might notice a certain place has a video camera recording its surroundings, and you might say it's wrong they think they can record you willy-nilly, although on the other hand, if you know it's there, it can also be asked what you're doing there if you don't want to be recorded.

[–] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

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[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In what way is it a law? I haven't heard of this, unless we're interpreting a certain law differently.

[–] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

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[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Those laws don't completely outlaw usage of cookies though, they just say courtesy has to be followed when doing so.

[–] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

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[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not a troll, I just know enough to respect when people running a website want to use their rightful authority as its owners to gather information, at least on a moral basis, versus when it is on an immoral basis, which would be if it's deceptive.

[–] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

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[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A website (at least those that end in dot com) are private property. It would be like recording footage of someone in your own home. All you need for that is basic transparency.

[–] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

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[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I am talking about both legality and morality, but they both refer to different aspects of all of this. For my case, I go by morality, but that doesn't mean certain aspects are necessarily illegal either. Selling info to a third party isn't a necessary part of the equation and not a part of what I was saying when I implied "as long as it's not deceptive".

[–] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

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[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

At the same time, a website has no legal or moral obligation to be of service to anyone.

[–] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

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[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When you use a website, they have the option to turn it into an agreement. If this is employed in such a way that it follows how agreements should work, none of this would be an issue. That isn't random. Have you never heard the adage "property is nine tenths of the law"?

[–] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

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[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Without tracking/privacy invasion, related to the board/community, non animated, not excessive

[–] _number8_@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

hell no, never. start a patreon

[–] ExpensiveConstant@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

I don't mind ads as long as they're not following me around. Show me ads based on the community that I'm browsing or something if you want better targeting

[–] FIST_FILLET@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

i wouldn’t mind sacrificing the first post on my home feed as a dedicated advertising spot (clearly marked), if it helps keep things running.

[–] pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

none, unless airline ads but way prefer no ads

[–] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago

If it does not track you. Eg a normal jpeg image as an ad. It can't track you(but you may not be able to block it

[–] morphballganon@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

I would block that instance.

If you want to market, buy physical billboard space.

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