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With all the dismal news about America lately, my home, I'm starting to seriously look at where else to move.

Putting aside for now the difficulty of actually immigrating to some countries, I'm curious on the opinions of others (especially people living outside the U.S) on this.

What I'm looking for in a country is, I imagine, similar to many people. I'm trying to find somewhere that will exhibit:

  • Low racism
  • Low sexism
  • Low LGBTQ-phobia
  • Strong laws around food quality and safety
  • Strong laws about environmental protection
  • Strong laws against unethical corporate practices (monopoly, corruption, lobbying, etc)
  • Strong laws for privacy
  • Good treatment of mentally ill, homeless, and impoverished people

Those are the real important things. Of course the nice-to-haves are almost too obvious to be worth listing, low cost of living, strong art and cultural scene, nice environment, and so on.

My actual constraints that might really matter are that I only speak English (and maybe like A1-2 level German). It seems incredibly intimidating to try to find employment somewhere when I can hardly speak the language.

I know nowhere on Earth is perfect, just curious what people may have to suggest. I hope this question isn't too selfish to ask here.

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[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Privacy, food safety and environmental regulation basically mean Europe, but then Europe has crazy anti-migrant sentiment at this point. So, maybe one of the Scandinavian countries that's still relatively welcoming? Portugal might also track, if you don't mind a country that's economically moribund.

[–] ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Toronto and Vancouver are expensive but you definitely get what you pay for

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[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 51 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

ITT: A lot of people doing the typical StackOverflow thing of asserting the question is bad and answering a different question instead.

No country's that great but Canada's doing aight.

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[–] benni@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago (7 children)

I think this is a very valid question. Sometimes the grass really is greener on the other side.

I like it here in Germany. Laws and social safety are relatively strong. Oftentimes I see an article about some chemical common in food being a cancer risk, and then I research it and see that it is a US-centered article and that the EU already banned the chemical years ago.

Right wing populism is strongly on the rise here though. Racism and LGBTQ-phobia will strongly depend, with smaller villages and regions in East Germany being worse on average.

If you're a top earner, you most likely won't get the crazy high salaries here that you might expect from the US (even if accounted for cost of living, childcare etc).

Bureaucracy is annoying.

Rent can be very high depending on the region.

Job market strongly favors German speakers. I heard the Netherlands are more open in that regard. I think this will be your biggest hurdle.

[–] benni@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Just noticed I used "strongly" three times in the post. Gonna need to find new adverbs.

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[–] funkajunk@lemm.ee 26 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Come to Canada, the weed is legal

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[–] PostiveNoise@kbin.melroy.org 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Spain is kind of nice, based on your list. I've been considering it.

[–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Thanks, for some reason Spain has never been near the top of my consideration. I suppose that's because it's not one of those classic "top ten" type of countries that seem to always be at the top of lists of good things. But it seems the margins of improvement are slim between top 30 and top 10, so I'll have to look more into that.

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[–] MotorCade93@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You should instead put energy into your environment and community to make positive changes in your area.

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[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I suggest developing a plan that is not just about building a better lifenfor yourself, but for others and community. For example, China ticks all of your boxes (yes, even privacy in comparison to the US), but it is also important to consider how you would personally make China better in the process, as you are, by moving, saying that your current conditions are pushing you to want to leave. So what about your current place of living was driven to that and how can this be made the case the world over?

Ultimately, capitalism is the underlying force of reaction, conservatism, and deprivation. It sets the guard rails of social policy, funds and purges the thought-moving forces of society. It creates homelessness. It destroys countries and societies, forcing them to adopy defensive and antagonistic positions to be viable and not only dominated. So I would recommend also thinking of this question in terms of how you might build your life as well as do well in fighting capitalism. As, ultimately, if this force is not recognized, you might find a place that ticka your boxes but is ultimately a forcr for capitalist expansion, e.g. most OECD countries. This wouldn't make you a bad person but it is a major wrinkle in the idea of building a good life by finding a place based on these (all very reasonable) boxes to tick off.

[–] boletus@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

China is very much not low racism. You will encounter quite a lot of racism especially if you are black. Everyone is different but the racists are far more public about being racist.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml -1 points 6 days ago (2 children)

China is low racism, particularly compared to other options. The racism experienced by black people in China is more that of unfamiliarity than bigotry. It does not come from the same place as white supremacy and does not have the same meaning or function.

[–] boletus@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 days ago (5 children)

One of my closest friends has been living in China for several years now. He's white, and his wife's Chinese parents said to his face, "at least you aren't black". People there casually refer to black people by the slur. I know there's many racists in the west too, but in Australia I can make progress as a minority, in China it's institutional, and in your face. Hard to feel part of the community if you are from a race that is discriminated.

That said, I was told it's less due to straight up hate and more from ignorance.

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[–] ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yeah because Han superiority complex doesn’t exist right?

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[–] ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If you are white you get stares and reverse racism until you mess up then real racism. If you’re black you just get racism.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

That it, generally speaking, false.

[–] ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com 1 points 6 days ago (11 children)

Well you obviously haven’t been to or lived in China for any period of time and most likely have an idealistic view of the country. Chinas a great place but being ignorant to its rampant racism is just silly. Because you’re certainly wrong. Waste of time comment.

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[–] wuphysics87@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You called America your home. There is something to be said for home improvement. I'm fortunate to be dual citizen, so I could leave whenever I want. I choose not to because it is where my parents, my sister and her kids are. I'll stay here and make whatever improvements, however small they are, as long as my folks still live here.

[–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 6 days ago

Yes, I wouldn't be renouncing U.S citizenship unless I really had to. I've stayed this long precisely because I don't want to leave the "problem spot" and cause it to only have extremists left over living here. I do try to support events and businesses that support causes I agree with, but that's about all there is to do as far as I can see. As I said in other comments, I would truly prefer to fix things here, as I like many things about my life here. But it's starting to feel like I'm complicit in something wrong by remaining a resident and I'm not sure what to do about it.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Fix your own damn country. You actually have power to fix it over there. The rest of the world doesn't.

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Telling the passengers of the Titanic to grab a bucket after it snapped in half is not as helpful as you might think.

[–] 0_0j@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca -2 points 6 days ago

No. Absolutely not. The ship ain't sinking. It's being hijacked.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 days ago (6 children)

No! What the fuck kind of defeatist analogy is this?

THEY are the captain of their ship, but it's being hijacked. It's up to them to regain control over it.

Bro just let's his hands down saying "what do you want me to do?" Fucking fight! Organize protests. Go to town halls and yell at them. Run them the fuck out of building. Others have done it.

The French do it all the time. Are you saying you're not as capable as those you call "cheese eating surrender monkeys"? You keep making fun of them, but if you don't act, they'll be making fun of you.

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