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[โ€“] Niquarl@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

As a Google Maps alternative I could recommend Osmand and Cartes.

[โ€“] timestatic@feddit.org 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Startpage got bought by System1 in 2019. System1 is an American advertising company. I personally use Qwant for privacy reasons - They're also in the process of building their own search index together with Ecosia.

[โ€“] Niquarl@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 hours ago

Qwant is a disaster. Just go read their Wikipedia page. Gouging public money for essential being an ecosia without sending money to plant trees..

[โ€“] lb_o@lemmy.world 4 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

How is Telegram US based? It is a Pavel Durov's offshore company from some Virgin islands. Not European, but not US either.

[โ€“] Marty_Man_X@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago

In this case, I think the creator just avoids Telegram, for good reason:

Itโ€™s not E2EE encrypted by default.

The list is not named appropriately โ€œUS etcโ€ but itโ€™s not a bad list either

[โ€“] Comment105@lemm.ee 0 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

These lists are almost always stupid.

The worst part is that usually the maker hasn't used half of the things they recommend.. If they had, they wouldn't have recommended them.

I'm guessing they tend to make these lists because of a personal connection to one or two companies they put in their list. Just as bit of free marketing.

[โ€“] LordOfLocksley@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I thought Bol only serviced Belgium and Netherlands?

[โ€“] blinfabian@feddit.nl 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)
[โ€“] LordOfLocksley@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

So not a truely European replacement for Amazon.

Bol was great while I lived in NL, but now I've left, I'm struggling to find a good replacement

[โ€“] blinfabian@feddit.nl 1 points 14 hours ago

yeah thats why i included bol. i couldnt find anything like it thats "truly european"

[โ€“] VisionScout@lemmy.wtf 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

OP writes "instead of their american counterparts", and then puts signal.

Firefox as well any opensource doesn't have a country. You can build it and use it. Avoid any centralized service.

The 4 freedoms of software are:

Freedom 0: The Freedom to Run

    You can use the software for any purpose, without restrictions.

Freedom 1: The Freedom to Study and Modify

    You have access to the source code, allowing you to study how the software works and make changes to suit your needs.

Freedom 2: The Freedom to Distribute Copies

    You can share copies of the software with others, whether for free or at a cost.

Freedom 3: The Freedom to Improve and Share Improvements

    You can modify the software and share your changes with the community, helping others benefit from your improvements.

as long as these freedoms are observed it doesn't matter the country of origin.

[โ€“] bettertecheu@lemmy.world 81 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I would rather see people use Firefox than Vivaldi. We need a more diverse browser engine market to keep the web open. More here: https://better-tech.eu/web/article/switch-browsers/

[โ€“] cm0002@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (4 children)

We need a more diverse browser engine market to keep the web open.

We definitely do, but it's a tall order considering making a fully functional and daily usable browser engine is one of the most difficult programming projects to under take

At least we got Ladybird with its brand new from scratch engine coming up though! (In 2028....)

[โ€“] bettertecheu@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's absolutely not a simple thing, but if we let the web turn into Chrome-only then Ladybird doesn't stand a chance. For now, more market share for Firefox and Firefox-based browsers is the only argument against making websites only work in Chrome.

[โ€“] taladar@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

Especially if Chrome is bought by OpenAI or some of the other players who want to enshittify it even faster and have shown interest.

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[โ€“] blinfabian@feddit.nl 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

i use librewolf on PC (which is a firefox fork) and vivaldi on phone :3

[โ€“] zonnewin@feddit.nl 2 points 21 hours ago

I use Floorp (a Japanese Firefox fork) on PC, and Ironfox on Android.

[โ€“] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Fennec or Vanadium are good alt phone browsers, too. I do my best not to use chromium stuff at all, but keep the latter around on the work profile of my phone.

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[โ€“] exposable_preview@slrpnk.net 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Some of these products would not exist without their American counterpart, which directly fuel their existance.

Librewolf is just a hardened version of Firefox. It would not exist without the Firefox team continuing to develop Firefox and to fix its security issues.

Ecosia primarely uses Bing and Startpage uses Google for search results. Both would not exist without the search engines backing them.

I'm not saying these are bad products and I don't mean to criticiseze. I'm actually a librewolf user myself. I just think it is important to point out that the European label might be deceiving in this instance and might mislead people into thinking they are using something different than they actually are.

It might also not be so important. Perhaps focusing our energy on good open source projects and NGO-backed initiatives is desirable regardless of their origin?

idk food for thought

[โ€“] timestatic@feddit.org 1 points 5 hours ago

Ecosia is actively developing their own search index together with Qwant. They are rolling out French and German results this year actually. AFAIK only like Mojeek and like Swisscow have their own search index (as well as Brave which is US based). But their current search results aren't really that great which is why I will stick to Qwant.

I also don't fully trust Brave because of their whole crypto involvement but their search engine is pretty good from experience and definitely much better in terms of privacy than google.

[โ€“] agavaa@lemmy.world 39 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not sure it's a good idea to recommend Arch Linux to newbies migrating from Windows; maybe prioritize Mint or similar?

[โ€“] blinfabian@feddit.nl 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)

this is not a recommendation post. this is what i personally use as i said in the title. i would always recommend Mint to a Linux beginner

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[โ€“] tauren@lemm.ee 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

American telegram? ๐Ÿ˜‚

[โ€“] timestatic@feddit.org 1 points 5 hours ago

I mean its not American but certainly not private

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[โ€“] 20nat@feddit.it 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Did't know HERE we go, seems very good, thanks!

[โ€“] huppakee@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

I like it too and do use it, but unlike Foss alternatives they do use your data for commercial purposes, just so you know.

[โ€“] 20nat@feddit.it 2 points 57 minutes ago (1 children)

Good to know but at least it's not google

[โ€“] huppakee@lemm.ee 1 points 44 minutes ago

Yes definitely

[โ€“] Telorand@reddthat.com 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Signal is based in California, but they're a nonprofit.

[โ€“] potter2010@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I thought it was odd to see it in an European alternative list.

[โ€“] Telorand@reddthat.com 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I don't personally have issues with nonprofits or FOSS as exceptions to my own personal boycott of US companies, but if anyone is looking for an alternative to Signal, SimpleX is probably the closest analog.

It's decentralized and funded globally. It's based in the UK.

[โ€“] gutter564@feddit.uk 20 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Awesome stuff. Also don't forget European DNS companies like Quad9.

[โ€“] asudox@lemmy.asudox.dev 13 points 1 day ago

And Mullvad

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[โ€“] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

EDIT I misunderstood the post, this is what you're using, not what you're recommending, sorry about that!
I will still include my original comment below.

Still, I use and can recommend XMPP and the provider magicbroccoli.de! Arne the admin is also a swell guy!


Bold move recommending US Signal over European Telegram!

I'd personally trust neither very much; one's US funded and the other clearly not as secure outside โ€œsecret chatsโ€.

But what about Threema? Or a European XMPP provider like the excellent magicbroccoli.de?

[โ€“] Zwiebel@feddit.org 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

magicbroccoli.de

Tell me you're for weed dealers without telling me you're for weed dealers xD

[โ€“] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 1 points 6 hours ago

I was thinking the same, but I've not seen anyone seeming like a weed dealer so far. I think it's just a case of German humour ๐Ÿ˜‹

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[โ€“] SunshineJogger@feddit.org 7 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I switched from chatgpt pro to lechat and have been using lechat for several weeks now.

It's so bad comparitively that I am considering to just not use AI anymore.

I used chatgpt daily many times and minstral le chat is just.... Incapable of understanding contextual things. It has still a long way to go before it can really compete, sadly.

[โ€“] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 6 points 1 day ago

It's so bad comparitively that I am considering to just not use AI anymore.

This is the way.

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