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With surveys reporting that an increasing number of young men are subscribing to these beliefs, the number of women finding that their partners share the misogynistic views espoused by the likes of Andrew Tate is also on the rise. Research from anti-fascism organisation Hope Not Hate, which polled about 2,000 people across the UK aged 16 to 24, discovered that 41% of young men support Tate versus just 12% of young women.

“Numbers are growing, with wives worried about their husbands and partners becoming radicalised,” says Nigel Bromage, a reformed neo-Nazi who is now the director of Exit Hate Trust, a charity that helps people who want to leave the far right.

“Wives or partners become really worried about the impact on their family, especially those with young children, as they fear they will be influenced by extremism and racism.”

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[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 55 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Just based on what I see women doing around me all the time, there were probably some warning signs. Looking for a dude that's "traditional" or whatever is asking for a dude that's going to see you like a form of livestock. It's partly a politics thing, but largely an assholes thing.

41% of young men support Tate versus just 12% of young women.

WTF those are both shockingly high.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

If you just translate the figures to "41% of young men, 12% of young women are stupid assholes", they make a bit more sense.

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[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I support Tate...

...Being locked in prison for the rest of his life.

[–] whodrankarnoldpalmer@startrek.website 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

But first I would really like him to receive a serious public ass-beating, recorded for posterity. I feel like that would be worse for him than the prison time.

[–] thisisnotgoingwell@programming.dev 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

There isn't anything wrong with a traditional worldview but it certainly doesn't fit most modern relationships. Either way I think all young men go through an idiot phase where it's easier to complain about the systems in place then to be introspective and improve yourself. I'm saying most people usually go through a redpill phase and if they are able to sympathize then it's usually a short phase. The bigger worry for me is that it seems a larger and larger amount of men are unable to sympathize with others.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Depends what you mean by "traditional worldview". I'll go ahead and say young earth creationism shows a lack of openness to objective reality when it's not personally convenient.

In the context I mean, what gets justified with tradition is behavior like putting on a fake persona when dating, pushing boundaries, disregarding the rights of strangers around them and generally being an entitled, eventually controlling dickwad. They'll say that's what men have always done, and boys will be boys or whatever, but I'm certain nobody had to "twist their arm".

When I see one of those dudes dragging a girl around, I have to wonder if she's chasing a kink. That's not how you go about it, if so. 50 Shades of Grey was fiction.

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[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The bigger worry for me is that it seems a larger and larger amount of men are unable to sympathize with others.

Not unable, unwilling. It requires them to be 'weak' and concede that they may be part of the problem. I say this as a man that had to work through some of this shit when I was young.

[–] pablodaniel@lemmings.world 0 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

So, we should only listen to one party's complaints?

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com -1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)
[–] pablodaniel@lemmings.world -3 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Right, it was implied though.

Essentially, we shouldn't listen to the men complaining but the men should listen to you complaining?

[–] BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 0 points 20 hours ago

No one implied that.

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[–] pablodaniel@lemmings.world -2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I disagree.

Usually it's the 'modern' women who have been convinced to be treated like livestock. Nothing very traditional about going to raves or wearing pasties.

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[–] The_Caretaker@lemm.ee 175 points 2 days ago (15 children)

My daughter won't even talk to guys who in any way support Andrew Tate or MAGA influencers. They aren't incels, they choose to be celibate by openly displaying their hatred for women.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 32 points 2 days ago (1 children)

All incelularity is self-inflicted. They put up all the barriers. I mean, it's obvious on the face of it; there is obviously no conspiracy to keep this one guy celibate. If there are factors that are keeping him celibate, they are entirely his own.

[–] BillyTheKid@lemmy.ca 53 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I'm not trying to defend them, but the lonely guy to incel pipeline is a real thing. They are targeted, propagandized, and monetized. I believe people are responsible for the decisions they make, so I'm not saying they aren't to blame for that, but I am saying it's more complex than just that.

And they seem to be the only ones talking toyoung boys so...

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 26 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

You become an incel the moment you externalize all the blame. It is their defining characteristic, that their celibacy is every- and anyone's fault but their own.

[–] BillyTheKid@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Perhaps, but maybe it doesn't matter. I want to live in a society where people are kind to one another, where they listen to one another, and where they have the opportunity to be prosperous. From my experience the place I was born, (BC, Canada), is trending away from that. I believe helping these lost youngsters become better people would help reverse that trend, and I think one of the first steps towards helping them is to have more empathy.

Lots of people have an external locus of control and I don't know if that's easily changed, but I do know it doesn't mean that they have to be hateful.

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[–] Ickabod@lemm.ee 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Get a new partner.. they're gone

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[–] perestroika@lemm.ee 52 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

When I date people, I don't allow myself to go forward without completing a mutual background check. I ask questions and talk about politics, tell about situations I've encountered and listen attentively.

I want to know about the other person's world views, decision-making and problem-solving methods - and to inform them about my own. I want to know how they tell apart truth from a lie, what they think about state and centralization, wealth and poverty, science and religion, civil rights and minorities - and to inform them about what I think, so they could make informed decisions.

Ironically, I don't wish to know what party they vote for - because the selection is shitty and I laugh about my own past choices. :)

Recalling situations where world views mismatched - I've had to part ways with one person because she was too spiritual. Two people subscribed to odd conspiracy theories. One person's goals in life warned me about excessive self-interest and lack of care about others.

P.S.

Trying to switch perspective and step into the shoes of a woman, I think it can be a warning sign if the other person gives excessive gifts or feels "obligated to take care" - one should inquire about the reason. I would also be wary of people who eagerly accept me as the new centerpoint of their life - it might indicate an obsessive tendency and severe symptoms if the relation should break. If the other person exhibited jealousy about friends or controlling behaviour, that would be a definite warning sign to me.

P.P.S.

As for social media, yes, it can corrupt people's perception of reality. How to pull them out of the bog, no idea. As for how to avoid them getting there: no algorithmically steered social media.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

gives excessive gifts

Huge red flag. Becomes a tool of control (I was married into a wealthy family.)

The big thing is that they can change their personality after marriage - once you are trapped. There were red flags there, which I shouldn’t have ignored, but it was like night and day.

Mine started getting interested in stuff like religion - noticed that his pastor friend got to play WoW all day while the wife basically did everything.

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[–] rimu@piefed.social 203 points 2 days ago (29 children)

"Do you regularly watch videos by Jordan Peterson?" kinda needs to become one of those before-first-date screening questions.

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[–] w3dd1e@lemm.ee 99 points 2 days ago (17 children)

Occasionally my partner does or says some things that remind me of the “manosphere” aka 4chan neckbeards.

And when it happens, we talk about it. I don’t pretend or let it go as “he doesn’t mean it” or “he doesn’t know what he’s saying”. I don’t get mad and he doesn’t get mad. We have an adult discussion and I’m careful not to talk down to him.

A perfect example was that he sometimes says “females” when he means “women”. I explain that it’s not a swear word but it’s still derogatory. I explain why. Once I did, he understood and stopped doing it.

It doesn’t have to be a big deal! Communication is key!

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[–] Mothra@mander.xyz 151 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (9 children)

12% of young women support Tate? That's way higher than what I expected :( I can't understand why would any woman support someone who makes a fortune out of exploiting and abusing women openly

[–] Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 153 points 2 days ago (15 children)

Tradwife content is on the rise for women as well, more and more young people are buying into this mythical simpler past as the world gets more complex, alienating and difficult.

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[–] pablodaniel@lemmings.world -1 points 21 hours ago

You must be new to the world, then.

Getting everyone to agree on anything is nigh-impossible.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 36 points 2 days ago

You leave them.

[–] Yermaw@lemm.ee 69 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It's surprising to me that married people are falling for this shit. I thought it was just incels desperate for anything that might give them a chance or an excuse.

[–] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 63 points 2 days ago (4 children)

it isn't about being single, its about the modern hell world instilling extreme helplessness in vulnerable people, and they seek any answers whatsoever. the manosphere happily provides 'answers' in exchange for money

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[–] osaerisxero@kbin.melroy.org 106 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Spoilers: there were signs

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