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The first, and also the most futuristic techno-utopian one, is the colonisation of Mars. Elon Musk founded Space X in 2002 (Peter Thiel was the first outside investor) with the idea of re-founding humanity. It’s all there: the call to save humanity by turning it into a multi-planetary species, the desire to start from scratch without the legal constraints of Earth, and the will to break with the established order. As you can read, half-hidden, on the terms and conditions page of the Starlink service owned by Space X:

The parties recognize Mars as a free planet and that no Earth-based government has authority or sovereignty over Martian activities.

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[–] flango@lemmy.eco.br 91 points 1 week ago (4 children)

with the idea of re-founding humanity

the desire to start from scratch without the legal constraints of Earth

What they are doing is playing the old book of the nazis

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 1 week ago

I bet they loved Iron Sky.

[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

But the Nazis didn't actually have anywhere they thought they could go.

If these Nazis actually think they can get to Mars and start over, I'm all for it. They can take as many supplies as they want too, no questions asked. I wish Musk and the Nazis with him the best.

I don't know what they expect when they get there, let alone how they expect to survive getting there, but that's not my problem.

[–] metaldream@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 week ago

This could really come back to bite us in the ass when their fascist descendants start a war and end up controlling the ring gates.

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They build a mars base, we build a rail gun.

Works for me.

TBH they'll all die of cancer before they ever finish that base.

MEIN FUHRER, I CAN WALK

[–] BeNotAfraid@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

Hyper diffusion, the rejection of intellectualism, the great race of the Atlantians. Come to rear its ugly head again.

[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 51 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Sweet. Build the ship, cram all the nazi aristocrats in, and bon voyage. Let us know how "re-founding of humanity" goes.

[–] sbv@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 week ago (2 children)

They aren't gonna leave until it's untenable here.

[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I bet they would drop something on us on the way out too. An asteroid or similar.

[–] sbv@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago

That'd track

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[–] MrAlternateTape@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago

Oh no, they will not go until a proper base is built. You don't expect them to actually do any physical work now do you? First get the slaves in, built a nice cozy home for the rich, and then, when the world has all the comforts they need they will move over.

[–] BeNotAfraid@lemmy.ca 34 points 1 week ago (4 children)

The plan is to confine those of us on Earth to a slave class, working to tirelessly fund their “idealised utopia” in their technostate cities while they commit total ecocide by strip-mining our entire planet, polluting all of our air, water and land. While we are locked away complacent with only their generative AI to bring us comfort through our neuralink brain implants. You will own nothing, every thought you have will be monitored, every idea, memory, dream, feeling, will be what you are permitted to have. This is what AI is for. Smart Technology was always supposed to make you stupid. Google Maps, so you can’t find your way out of a paper bag without it. Autocorrect so you can’t spell anymore. Spotify at max volume has made an entire generation hard of hearing without them even realising. Addicted to screens, unable to resist reading the next piece of political propaganda. Social Media and smartphones are how the Billionaire class has tricked the entire world into spying on itself for them. Do you remember Joe Rogan talking about how cool it’ll be when technology gets in your body? How no one will want it, “until you’re flying around shooting lasers out of your eyes.”? Do you remember the Cambridge Analytica leaks showing that Facebook pushed the lies and propaganda that resulted in Brexit? Google have everything you have ever logged into a search bar. They have every phone number you’ve ever owned, every photo, from every account you’ve ever had across every one of their platforms. The acceleration of climate change is completely because of Amazon.com’s effect on the global supply chain. 2 Factor authentication does not exist to protect you from hackers. It is so your phone number is always linking you personally, to every account you have.

Did you notice after COVID how every bank machine became a smart device that runs android? One with cameras on both sides? What about how clock in machines became android tablets and they take your picture when you clock in and out. Why do they need to take your picture? Smart watches record your biometric data and send it to Apple, or Google. You can’t talk on your handset in the car but every new vehicle comes with a giant screen in the centre console that runs either IOS/Android. Every new security camera is a wifi camera which runs android. Why does a CCTV camera need to have an internet connection. Every checkout machine runs android, records your grocery list and records you, while it takes your picture and your card information. The phones are always listening always recording. Google have just bought the data from Europe, by paying the fines. That’s why they went after Germany and had Mers elected. They want to dismantle any and all privacy protections left. But why? Curtis Yarvin, mentor to JD Vance and Close personal friend of Peter Thiel already wrote about his desire to “Virtualise non-productive people as a humane alternative to genocide.” That is what they want for the rest of us, to die dehydrated and starving while we live out the rest of our lives virtually, through generative AI. My friend you don’t want them to get to Mars, AI exists to spy on everything you do and to silence dissent. So they can easily search the gargantuan database they have collected on all of humanity by saying “Hey Gemini/Grok/DuckAI/Leo/Copilot etc. Is anyone out there expressing dissatisfaction with the regime?”

Maybe I’m just being silly. I mean, it’s not like they have the exact co-ordinates of every man-made above ground structure in the world. Oh wait, that’s Google Earth. By the way, did you know Google developed none of these technologies? They made their money selling your information to advertisers then purchased every emerging innovative company they could, rebranded it as Google and added spyware. All of the far-right groups that emerged after COVID are funded by Big Tech and they all have the same names. America First, Britain First, Ireland First, Francais Premier. There are no removeds coming for your kids , there are no dangerous, mentally-ill migrants eating cats and dogs. But they repeat that message over and over, whilst ensuring immigration remains high. The REAL reason everything is so expensive. Why we can’t afford housing, or food. The thing that is driving inflation is all because of wealth inequality. If I purchase from Amazon.ca from a canadian retailer. Canada sees no tax. Because, for the purposes of that transaction Amazon is in Sweden. Any transaction to Meta and countries see no tax, because for that purpose Meta are in Ireland. These companies collect money across every denomination from every country on Earth and they pay NO TAX. None of it returns to circulation. This forces the central banks of every nation to print more money which drives up inflation. Creating Further poverty, homelessness and enslaving us to their propaganda. This is why Elon Musk said a “Single World Government” would destroy society at the world economic forum. Because if we banded together as nations and said no more we could demand that these companies pay taxes back into the economies they steal from. We need to Tax Wealth, not work. If we were wise, we’d all install linux. divest ourselves from all of their properties, reject AI and buy flip phones. We have the choice to stop, we do not have to obey.

[–] Atmoro@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

The biggest answer to all this is to unite:

Uniting in getting people onto better alternatives for platforms/apps/websites:

Linux Mint, Pop!_OS, Fedora Workstation

iodeOS, & BraxOS

Bluesky, & Mastodon

Voyager for Lemmy

PeerTube

Flashes

Spark

Revolt Matrix via Element app FUTO Apps

Fossify Apps

Proton Apps OpenVPN CCTV Cameras sold that actually value privacy Linux on TV's/Phones (PostmarketOS)/Cars/tablets too Etc etc etc etc etc.

Supporting any and all real projects that uplift humanity. Open-Source Community-Made Software and Hardware, Unionized-Cooperatives, Credit Unions, etc etc etc. Always building towards better and never anything less than that

And much more:

Uniting in getting other people onto best practices to be better off online and in-person

Uniting in getting them on much better news sources

Uniting in getting them to take action, & collaborate together consistently in large and small groups with different groups focused on different issues. Everyone is flip flopping between problems too much. We need focused groups on each problem

Uniting locally, statewide, nationally, & internationally. We are all stronger together. We must all treat each other as true allies, & actually build out in every way we can. Having a couple focused groups per issue will help so much

(Also please add some line breaks to your paragraphs)

P.S. Is there any way I can collaborate with you?

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[–] crossdl@leminal.space 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Or, if you decide you MUST use corporate social media, put it behind a secure web browser and isolate your use to only social media.

I can't be sure it works 100%. I can just hope Brave and Google have competing interests for me.

But best to stop patronizing those platforms as best you can.

What if anything do you do to try to mitigate it?

[–] BeNotAfraid@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Linux laptop, personal vpn configured using OpenVPN and the unending drive for revenge. For the lifetime that was facsimiled and stolen from me through manufactured consent.

[–] crossdl@leminal.space 2 points 1 week ago

Hell yeah, comrade!

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[–] Halcyon@discuss.tchncs.de 30 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

A mars colony won't come. I just doesn't make any sense. These billionaires simply use that vision for marketing and obfuscation of their inhumane ideas (TESCREAL).

[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'd imagine it will come around, but not the way people think, and not for many more generations. I mean, unless we just kill this planet before we get there, which is where I'd put my money.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If earth is killed its still a better option than Mars.

[–] Halcyon@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Right, Mars is so dead and hostile and far away that earth will be a much more livable habitat for humans for a long time, even if we further destroy our ecosystems here. If we can't make it here, we can make it nowhere else.

[–] BeNotAfraid@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

Yes, but Elon Musk is an idiot and his maternal Grandfather is the former head of the Technocratic movement. Tesla is a meme stock, doesn't mean that people won't put their faith in this vision of futurism and it doesn't mean that they won't destroy our planet in the attempt to achieve it.

[–] AcidicBasicGlitch@lemm.ee 28 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Omg so just go to Mars and leave us all the fuck alone.

These bros are so goddamn stupid, and I wouldn't even care except they're going to kill us all in their delusional dumbass pursuit of a technocratic AI powered utopia.

And they're all so fucking miserable even if they succeed they will just wind up all alone in their robotic powered biodomes wondering wtf the point of existence is bc nobody is left to stroke their dumb fucking egos.

[–] LanguageIsCool@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Seriously. It’s like… let’s just give these guys a TV show where they can live their fantasies without any of it affecting us

[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I barely have two nickels to rub together, but I would donate them if it would get these fuckheads to Mars.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I think it's also about economic factors ... the first spaceflight programs in the 60s were a huge boost to the economy, both by creating jobs and inspiring a generation of engineers. they hope that mars settlement would have similar effects, maybe on a larger scale, depending on the size of the project. which very much fits into Trump's narrative to "bring back manufacturing to the US".

Any big dump of money (Manhattan Project, Space Race, Arms Race) brings about great strides in progress. It would have been great to see a big dump of money, on the aforementioned scale, dumped into raw research.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago

Please let’s just send them all to mars on one of musk’s space x rockets and be done with this. Godspeed assholes

[–] prinzmegahertz@lemm.ee 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It‘s Bioshock, they just want to build rapture on mars instead of under the ocean.

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Musk is literally a fucking Bond villain (specifically, the guy from Moonraker).

[–] Teal@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago

Sir Hugo Drax.

[–] django@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

can't wait for the day, tbh

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Preparing a coup?….the coup is in progress

[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 6 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I really hope they take as many people as they can. Really.

And I hope they all take the most efficient path to Mars, rather than the fastest. And I hope they send them all in a very short time period, and Musk never bothers to read anything about the hazard of traveling in space outside of our magnetosphere.

[–] StJohnMcCrae@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Yeah what you said - fire him out of a cannon.

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Very intelligent article in terms of painting a richly detailed picture. Falls short in reality awareness tho.

For example, it's easy for people like the author who are immersed in using information tech to imagine everybody lives that way, but about 2/3 of all jobs still involve working directly with physical objects and materials. Of the 1/3 of jobs that could be done entirely online, only about 1/3 of those actually are. The author mentions that we also interact with our personal lives solely through electronics - to communicate with each other, manage our schedules, our lists, etc - but we used to do most of that on paper. Electronics didn't replace direct interaction with reality, it just replaced paper and pencil.

Recognizing this takes most of the wind out of the author's sails. Silicon Valley, the label they seem to lump modern technology in general under, which most people see as a handful of IT companies, didn't start this phenomenon of insulating ourselves from the real world. We've had telephones and radio for about a century, paper for centuries before that, and all kinds of powered or motorized appliances and other conveniences all our lives. How many of us still have living relatives who ever depended on fire-based lighting or animal-powered transportation, for example?

Anyway, tl;dr I think this article is a fine example of stylishly writing up an interesting and stimulating point of view, which doesn't really have a solid basis but is written well enough to convince many readers that it's insightful.

[–] crossdl@leminal.space 3 points 1 week ago

You make a good point.

[–] BeNotAfraid@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

Paper and pencils aren't access points to infinite dopamine. Paper and pencil don't have algorithms so disgustingly invasive they detect when a teenage girl uploads and then immediately removes a photo. Recognise that as self-conciousness and bombard them with cosmetic advertisements to sell to her. Paper and pencils aren't 50% owned by a company that profiteered out of stealing your user data and selling it to Amazon. Who then used their gains to purchase every single emerging technology company in the world. Alphabet bought Google Maps, They Purchased Google Earth, They acquired the company that became Google Glass, they bought Google Sheets and android is just a fork of the Linux Kernel that they blocked the root directory from the User. Then they added spyware to each of them and have been collecting mass amounts of Data on every human being in the world ever since. Do not equate this to paper and pencil. Look what tech did to the Taxi industry, look at how it's decimated the restaurant industry. Forbes has predicted a 50% drop in global GDP to occur sometime between 2070-2090. Humanity has never been addicted to paper and pencil. This is not paper and pencil.

[–] l_isqof@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

He should take the first flight out. Can't wait...

[–] tenchiken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago

Executive order establishing the next deportations going to a new Martian "enrichment center" in 3... 2... 1...

Given their inclinations, I suspect alt-speak for slavery to be the next contestant on "What's hot" on Xitter

[–] PapstJL4U@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago
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