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A few points:
What happened to librem anyway? They used to be all the rage, now it's nothing.
They’re still available for sale and they post development updates every month.
It’s just not a popular device.
With the first model costing 2K USD for a mediocre device (4GB RAM, 128GB storage) it's not surprising that they're not that popular. Their 700 USD model only has 3GB of RAM.
I want this to be good, but I agree with all these points, right down to the possibility that we may never even see this thing released.
No it doesn't, when have you ever taken LiberuxNexx two times daily? It sounds like some guy's username on X
I'm all for it but it's in the cowdfunding stage. We'll have to see what becomes of it.
This has been tried a few times now. Why will this one succeed?
It bugs me how, within a month after Apple releases a new iPhone, small-time manufacturers put together the hardware, custom ROMs, and tooling to pump out bespoke knock-offs of the latest model. Which sell for maybe $200. While we're stuck worrying that the development of a new Linux phone, with completely ordinary hardware by today's standards, might get mismanaged to hell or ends up costing a fortune.
It won't outside small niches. If people can't use their banking apps, it's dead before release.
I agree, Android phones will not have a chance at being successful unless it has a translation layer to run Android apps.
I know things like that exist, but I don’t think it’s anywhere close to having a high compatibility.
Unfortunately with security apps like banking, being able to run android apps is only one of the roadblocks.
Mine doesn't even care if the phone is rooted, and most of the stuff can be done via a web interface. On the flip side of the coin, this shithole has SMS as the only available "2FA" method
i think that's not a great way to think about it. when is the year of the linux desktop? its a slow build until its a viable ecosystem.
if companies just stopped making linux phones, the ecosystem would wither up and die (not counting postmarketos)
every new linux phone will inspire new people to try linux on a phone, and eventually we may have a viable alternative to ios and android.
If it was going to be any year, and yes I know this is said a lot, it would be this year. With Win10 support ending, a bunch of Millennials are going to install it on their Boomer parent's computers. You have the German government installing it on every computer they run. Major companies like Lenovo releasing handhelds with it pre-installed.
This feels off. Just the hardware configuration doesnt make any sense. The soc will be over 5 years old when this thing releases. Those four a76 cores @ 2,4 Ghz wont wow you with their performance and would be a downgrade compared to a flagship with a SD865 released 5 years ago. Which is alright by its own tbh. But why the fuck combine it with 32gb of ram? Thats just excessive and apart from hyper specific edge cases this just doesnt make any sense. Especially when looking at the eMMC storage. Personally i already find UFS 3.1 painfully slow when it comes to desktopish usecases sometimes. But eMMC is just pure ass.
This is like buying a pre built with a 12100f with 128gb of ram and only harddrives as storage. Like there is probably a really small market for that. But for everybody else it would be just such a bad choice.
The new eMMCs are 400MB/s (so SATA-ish level) with random writes about there as well, it depends what specifically they'll be using. It's also more power efficient than SSDs, however it can't address more than 256GB (so consider SD speeds too).
There also isn't anything wrong with having a lot of RAM if it doesn't impact the battery considerably. Which it prob does.
Interesting, didnt know about the current state of eMMC. That would be certainly useable if its the new stuff.
Regarding the ram: Yeah, a lot of ram isnt bad. But it also costs money and i dont feel like that amount of ram in combination with the rest of the hardware is too beneficial. Maybe i lack the creativity but i dont see applications where you need that much of ram and wont be bottlenecked by that 5 year old mid tier mobile SOC. Like my desktop gaming rig has 32gb of ram and current flagship phones still use sometimes just 12gb and go up to 24gb in very rare cases. 32gb just feel imbalenced with the rest of the hardware.
Don't forget that Linux isn't isn't nearly as aggressive as Android in killing background processes, which means RAM is far more likely to stay hanging, and you probably don't want to be swapping on the eMMC.
fair, but we're still talking about 32 frigging GB of ram in a phone. not that it should count as a best practice baseline but apple sells 16gb laptops as the entry point and tbf at the moment its just enough and their performance is sitting in a completly different league
ram can be used to heavily compensate for slow read speeds and can make slow memory leaks less of an issue, also with that much you probably don't need a swap file/partition.
Apple selling 16GB laptops is something anyone in the know regards as essentially criminal.
it is. i firmly state: fuck apple. now give me a single reason why an underpowered linux device needs 32gb.
Bus already pointed out about actually having the chance to use the RAM.
In regards to cost - I would be confident they chose what was optimal, you can't compare this to retail PC market, these are specific b2b deals, they could have literally gotten the 32GB chips significantly cheaper than 16GB.
What I'm not confident is battery usage, 32 giggies will use twice the power (which isn't a lot but it is all the time, you don't really turn off RAM) of the exact chip in 16 giggler flavour.
CPU bottlenecking isn't really RAM related. And I wouldn't say nowdays 5 year old CPUs are outdated (like a 5yo chip 10 or 15 years ago). I would use my phone much as my PC, so an old CPU but plenty of RAM sounds about what I want.
Also it's Linux, not some bloated megacorp OS, so it's a bit better, tho apps remain much the same (eg browsers & web pages).
fair enough, maybe i'm stupid(which i am) but give me a usecase for 32gb of ram. completly disregarding the fact that this thing is a phone. Using it as an desktop device via an usb-c hub. when do you need 32gb of ram involving software which isnt bottlenecked by a 5 year old mobile chip? My 12 core AMD 3900X and my 5800X3d ramp up their cooling fans before my RAM gets maxed out with eg Firefox. C'mon i already admitted that there are edge cases. But this configuration is weird man. Especially considering that linux in itself isnt a ram hog in general.
Oh, I'm not disagreeing with it being weird, my main point was to switch the weirdness towards battery use as nothing else matters.
And CPU doesn't bottleneck RAM usage.
As for use case (which again, I'm not disagreeing as my main point is "it wouldn't affect you in any way other than battery" + "they prob went with the cheapest option that still works, just like they did with CPU"), prob apps being fully in RAM and not swap, not closing old apps, etc. So like FF & 3 chat/social media apps (they all have inefficiently big libraries), a few store and service apps (for car/taxi/food delivery/etc), none need to leave RAM. Idk how to get to 32, but perhaps over 16.
And again I point out that it's just what they did for the project to survive, it's clearly frankensteined from the cheapest sensible parts. In your analogy the i3 with 32 or 128GB of RAM, if sold at the same price, will preform the same for most users.
I have absolutely no faith in this project whatsoever, there is a 99% chance itll fail like all Linux phones and tbh they all deserve to. Not a single mobile Linux OEM has even the slightest idea what the average person wants, hell im a highly technical Linux enthusiast and it doesn't even do what I want. The average person wants:
Meanwhile more technical people (such as myself) want:
Meanwhile Linux phones:
I hope the emphasis on wireless display tech doesn't mean they are skimping on usb-c video out. That is the only bugger I currently see.
Bookmarked, will definitely give this a look.
I dont want that of a beast but only a cheap and decent smartphone that will supported by most of the Mobile Linux Distros to use a phone completely privately instead of using android
@KarnaSubarna it needs to be able to run Netflix, banking apps and McD app (has very high security requirements - hard to get working on LineageOS f.ex.
If it solves those - I think it could be hugely popular - as the first fully useable phone, for those wanting to regain control over their phone and data.
It needs to run the McD app... JFC....
Is running the McDonald’s app the “can it run doom” of FOSS Linux phones or are you just morbidly obese?
I thought this was the first usable linux phone?
I'm very interested in this one, but would like to see it in the wild first to make a more informed purchase.
Wao, this is not bad at all. I wonder how it behaves as a daily driver. It would probably be easy for me to adopt as I don't have a single mainstream app in my phone at all.
Just use browser If it doesn't run in browser Then you don't need it
but will it have a magnetic ink display option
