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[–] atro_city@fedia.io 143 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] BigShammy80@feddit.org 20 points 2 weeks ago

Sums it up perfectly

[–] TommySoda@lemmy.world 98 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The fact that they can change their opinion on their close friends based upon what the president says is kind of pathetic. They call everyone else sheeple and brainwashed as they believe everything he says without question. The definition of a cult.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago

It's always -- always -- projection.

I used to think it was only sometimes projection or often projection, but lately I've realized I was wrong. I literally can't think of an accusation the MAGAs have used that hasn't been projection.

[–] cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 56 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Oceania was at war with Eurasia; therefore Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

We thank the Big Brother for the increase in the chocolate ration!

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

"We thank big brother for removing overdraft fee limits, and freeing our children to work in the mines"

[–] Naevermix@lemmy.world 51 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Like flipping a switch. Americans are completely brainwashed.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Republicans are brainwashed. This sort of thing happens all the time with them, on almost every issue.

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[–] SunshineJogger@feddit.org 35 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Republican americans are in fact cosplaying the movie idiocracy but with a nazi germany crossover.

[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 44 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

No, and I start to hate Idiocracy-comparisons. Remember the one crucial thing they did in the movie: listen to the one person most able to solve their problem and then make him president, not put some idiot in charge and build a personality cult around him.

[–] trollercoaster@sh.itjust.works 25 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

That's right. What the US is doing is pretty much just cosplaying Nazi Germany. The Nazis weren't evil geniuses, they were pretty stupid and disorganised (a hallmark of every fascist regime is everlasting internal rivalry for more influence) and put their idiotic little ideology and personality cult above all else (for example, deportation trains to the death camps had precedence over much needed military logistics, even very late into WW2, also Nazi big wigs regularly engaged in disastrous micromanagement because they could, like when Hitler personally put new fighter aircraft development on hold because he wanted bombers, at a time when regular Allied air raids on Germany were already a reality), inevitably leading to picking a fight with pretty much the entire rest of the world and predictably losing that. The only thing the Nazis were clever (enough) with was propaganda. Propaganda that lasts till today by painting them as the ruthlessly efficient and technologically advanced evil masterminds. (with only the "ruthless" and "evil" being true) See any similarities already?

[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

i dont want to even think about actually competent and efficient nazis

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[–] Nougat@fedia.io 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Well, they did put some idiot in charge and build a personality cult around him, but the idiot wasn't malicious.

[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 2 weeks ago

That supposed idiot was at the time the smartest living person. Trump is all but that.

[–] ijedi1234@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

The US is most similar to the 2030s-early 2050s US in the Chinese-written White or Black (Chinese variant of Brave New World).

  • An alien shows up, and an international team sent to investigate kill it by accident.
  • A bunch of aliens show up a few years later, but they're content to float in the sky.
  • After deciphering their language, humanity discovers that the aliens seek asylum on Earth, and they claim that the human race is doomed unless humanity does some immediate course correction.
  • "Lol, no."
  • Meanwhile, a group of religious MAGA Republicans (Trump is presumably dead at this point) form a religion devoted to worshiping the aliens, believing that they're angels sent by God.
  • The aliens' predictions come to pass. The collapsed US is then taken over by the alien supporting religious organization in the late 2060s-2070s.
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[–] JayDee@lemmy.sdf.org 31 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh look, you can physically see the Democrat shift to the right on the chart.

[–] rhombus@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago

Not that I disagree with the idea of Democrats shifting right, but it’s a very small shift supported by very few data points. The line probably wouldn’t have changed much with more data. OTOH, the Republican spike is way too much to be an outlier.

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 25 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Itβ€˜s almost as if other nations prefer you to be tolerant and welcoming towards them. You know, the very basics of diplomacy.

[–] Kissaki@feddit.org 19 points 2 weeks ago

the very basics of diplomacy.

The very basics of human decency

[–] BrokenGlepnir@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You could see republicans opinion change drastically and immediately in his first term based on his opinion, and democrat opinion remain relatively the same. When Obama bombed Syria, around 80 percent of Democrats and 80 percent of Republicans disapproved. When trump bombed Syria Democrats moved a few percentage points. It was probably affected, but in the deviations. Republicans swapped from 80/20 disapprove/approve straight to 20/80.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

There was a great chart that showed this sort of phenomenon, I think across a range of issues, but I can't find it. Can anybody help me out?

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[–] Bogasse@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There is a French saying that perfectly fits current situation :

You don't need enemies when you have this kind of friends.

Although I don't know if it's specifically French.

In English it's "With friends like these, who needs enemies?"

Apparently coined by an early 20th century comedian, but I wouldn't put a lot of stock in that origin.

[–] fylkenny@feddit.org 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What did Canada do in 2018?

[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm just one guy, but absolutely not me. I hate my fellow Americans a million times more than anyone in Canada, or Europe.

[–] cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Man, looking closely at this is comical. Conservatives are the most flock-minded people on Earth, whatever their taking heads say instantly becomes their new zeitgeist. The irony of conservatives calling everyone else sheep is... Well I guess there's a reason I so often hear the phrase "every conservative accusation is a confession".

[–] SendPrudes@lemm.ee 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

This is the power of the algos.

I had two Reddit accounts and one was solely used for gaming. Which started to give me feeds completely different then my more left, progressivy main account.

I would get these heavy metal videos about Mexican rapists that were deported on the one linked with gaming. (A clear conservative take). Showed Canadians as commies / socialist evil staties. Like dudes face - deportation date - what they were convicted of - murder or rape. It was wild.

And some of my liberal social main account demonstrated or showed a shit load of Canadian content that linked them with MAGA. And consistently highlighted their crimes against indigenous people. With tag lines of like β€œthey want to talk about what we do - look at what they do”.

so I’m not even sure if the blue line ticking up is β€œI hate Canadians” or β€œthey are magats too”

To be clear - am American - hate Americans - hate social media (Lemmy is my last social hope / account left) am team Canada all the way / Europe all the way.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 11 points 2 weeks ago

Our allies are fine. I'm learning to dislike my countrymen. Not that there's a lot of new ground to cover on that subject...

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It's mostly the republicans though isn't it? I mean in general I see the actions of the USA as a result of the choices made by the whole US population but in this, they are clearly different

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Mostly Republicans but a much smaller trend can be seen among Democrats too.

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[–] Vincent@feddit.nl 3 points 2 weeks ago

And even then far from all of them.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I’m sorry from half of America

[–] Colloidal@programming.dev 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

A third. There's a third in favor of the turd, a third is apathetic, and a third did something to stop the turd.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 6 points 2 weeks ago

So two thirds are problematic.

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[–] theblips@lemm.ee 7 points 2 weeks ago

Are they fitting the curve on like 3 points for 24 and 25? I don't think it's untrue but why publish this with such a low-hanging fruit to delegitimize the argument

[–] Fingolfinz@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

Magats are fucking dumb. Argue with them like it’s a chess match being a few moves ahead and you can very accurately predict what they’ll say next.

[–] karashta@piefed.social 6 points 2 weeks ago

I'd like to see these graphs only relating to their opinions on Russia and North Korea from the 1980s, at least, through now.

This is just insane, though. The decoupling from reality is seemingly total.

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Hope go isolationist like in past

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[–] Bogasse@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

What I find surprising is that it was decreasing before, what happened in 2018?

EDIT : oh yeah, Trump's first term started in 2017, I just didn't realise that time passes so fast

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[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

~~Americans~~ Republicans. FIFY

[–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Now you know how us British retainers feel when people went on that we all wanted to leave the EU.

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[–] sunnytimes@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 weeks ago

now do the same thing with Canadians about mericans . 90 degree upwards i'm guessing.

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