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Hi all! This is an alt for anonymity. Please be gentle, this is a hard topic for me to discuss.

I'm a progressive United States citizen who is looking to get out. I'm of Italian descent so I'm working on getting Italian citizenship through jure sanguinis, but it's going to take some time, if it works at all (gotta substantiate some relations) and won't extend to my husband until he completes a citizenship test, which he can do after living in Italy for two years.

Here's my big question: is moving to Italy even a good idea?

I know there's a significant element of fascism there, but that seems to be the case to varying extents throughout Europe. I've visited a few times as a tourist and everyone was very kind. I also have a US cousin that lives there as a permanent resident near Napoli and she is very encouraging, saying people will be welcoming. We don't want much, just to make a living and maybe have a kid.

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[โ€“] RandomVideos@programming.dev 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Be careful. If you move to Italy, you might start hating people over how they eat food(like eating spaghetti with bread)

[โ€“] AHamSandwich@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Hah, I know exactly what you're talking about. I've been on the "double carbs bad" train for awhile, but I don't care when other people do it.

[โ€“] folaht@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I say go for it. You have better luck getting rid of fascism in Europe than you have in the US. Just know that if US influence is waning over this part of the world, it means US democrat as well. And China will likely become the new big influence on the region if not Russia. And such a transition will be very violent.

This is true, if Europe goes fascist the Americans will invade and bring y'all some more freedom. If the United States goes fascist we're all just screwed.

[โ€“] Stizzah@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

You know that you will have to keep paying taxes to the US, right?

[โ€“] Pherenike@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[โ€“] Samsuma@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/us-citizens-and-resident-aliens-abroad

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/us-citizens-and-residents-abroad-filing-requirements

If you are a U.S. citizen or resident living or traveling outside the United States, you generally are required to file income tax returns, estate tax returns, and gift tax returns and pay estimated tax in the same way as those residing in the United States.

If you are a U.S. citizen or resident alien, the rules for filing income, estate, and gift tax returns and paying estimated tax are generally the same whether you are in the United States or abroad. You are subject to tax on worldwide income from all sources and must report all taxable income and pay taxes according to the Internal Revenue Code.

The question is asked probably because there's no real way of avoiding the empire's grip if you're born into it, even if you naturalize as a citizen of another country.

[โ€“] Pherenike@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Holy fuck! I didn't know that.

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[โ€“] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago

Oh hey, we're kinda on the same boat here (without the jure sanguinis part). Probably would try to get to a university instead. A big bet, I know, but there's not much to go on here either.

[โ€“] truite@jlai.lu 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Are you a cis woman? I ask because you said you have a husband and you may want a kid. Italy is going against gay adoption, and I think it's not easier if you're a trans woman with a cis man, for example. You could try to have some information about abortion, because right to abort isn't the same thing to access to this right. It's not specific to Italy, and I think a lot of European countries are currently going the same way.

Edit: I mean, if you like the country, have family and really want to leave, I don't think it's a bad idea.

[โ€“] Bloomcole@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago

I'm not too fond of the plenty Americans having the same idea.
Stay there.

[โ€“] Disinformation_Bot@lemm.ee -4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Unless you're a directly targeted demographic, leaving the US is the coward's way out. You abandon everyone who doesn't have the means to flee. Stay and fight for something. Running away from problems doesn't solve them, it just cedes power to the problem.

[โ€“] AHamSandwich@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

TIL: disinformation is a synonym for "presumptuous asshole". Who knew?

[โ€“] Disinformation_Bot@lemm.ee -1 points 4 days ago (3 children)

TIL a ham sandwich is a synonym for cowardly pig. But we both knew that already.

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[โ€“] wewbull@feddit.uk -3 points 6 days ago (2 children)

You emigrate to Italy and then you'll be an immigrant from the US. One's a verb, the other a noun.

Once you have Italian citizenship you'll be able to live an work anywhere in the Schengen region. So a lot more options once you're in.

In the future, consider ensuring you actually know what you're talking about before attempting pedantic corrections.

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