Fediverse

Use Lemmy, Signal, the rest. What is the problem? Delete Reddit and Discord accounts. Done.

I STRONGLY recommend just going out looking for whatever forums you can find that are still active.

I've actually been going out of my way to look up new forums to use since the Reddit API controversy. Finding them can sometimes be a pain in the ass because search engines suck nowadays, but I've found a few I hang around on. I spend way more time on them than I do Lemmy.

I hate that Discord is being used as a forum replacement because it’s fucking terrible for it. There’s pretty much no way to collate and archive information in a way that is actually useful.

Here is a chrome extension that copies all messeges and media from a discord server you're a part of.

In case the stuff on a server is what keeps you coming back.

Don't forget random Telegram groups!

Forums lifespans weren't all that much anyways. Most sites that were hosted before 2010 are gone now.

The real downside to everything being on StackOverflow, Reddit, Discord, etc is that it has made it easier for big tech to run their shady data collection and analysis schemes including AI Training.

Not everything.

Decentralized and smaller platforms definitely help preserve open discussion. But when it comes to company security culture and internal comms, even forums are giving way to automation. Tools like cyberupgrade.net show how even training and risk detection are now handled without Slack threads or forum debates.

Push Lemmy out there. Help Lemmy grow. Lemmy has a few issues that need addressed;

1. The Name needs changed, you see who shows up when you search Lemmy. The easiest thing to do is switch it to "Lemme" (Sounds like "Let Me", like just lemme post this) or Lemy.

2. Lemmy needs an app that is just as easy as Reddit to sign up for. It needs to drop on the person's computer desktop and sign them into a default federation that auto accepts everyone. The initial signup process is confusing to people, with the website listing different federation and having to apply and wait. Some auto accept, people need to be pointed to those.

...and Facebook Groups.

A lot of people simply don't realize that a lot of traditional community, especially more niche are moving to Facebook. There's no even Reddit alternative for them.

From fried chicken cooking, big tree photography, McDonalds toys collector, to local history archiver.

It's harder to convince them here, unless there are Facebook Group alternative for fediverse.

I hope someone is archiving that data. Lots of great small communities with great info/help.

First and foremost I'd like to point out that this alarm has been sounded before. In the early 2010's, in the late 2010's, during the pandemic etc. Part of that is because megaforums like reddit (slack, github, and I guess digg) swallowed them up. Which is more convenient for the average user (younger internet users especially) who only have to go to one or two places with apps that allow them to use their phone to format in a readable/engageable manner for them.

I would posit that the internet forum isn't dying exactly so much as it has morphed into things like the above mentioned megaforums. Those megaforums have their own trials and tribulations but they are popular for multiple reasons.

Ease of use - One tap to open an app you're already signed into on a phone or tablet from anywhere.

Ease of discoverability - An algorithm that helps you to find things to engage with. An algorithm that promotes content that lots of other people engage with so that new users who don't have preferences known yet can still find things they like.

Ease of navigation and search - I'm still using udm14.com to search for things on lemmy because if I don't save them the search function on the site isn't good and doesn't always provide me with results at all. Reddit's search is pretty bad but it's still more usable than lemmy's in a lot of ways.

Easy to sign up - I think this speaks for itself. Lemmy has a higher bar to clear for vetting an instance and even understanding the difference between instances than any other corpo platform, and while this has gotten easier over time, it will never be as simple as, go to this website and fill out the form to make an account.

I say all that to say that 1. we got here by ignoring the warnings for years and years. 2. We can compete but are unlikely to be the number one choice of the general internet masses for a lot of reasons. 3. Smaller forums will continue to die and get swallowed up by megaforum websites or platforms like reddit or lemmy because of the benefit of convenience on the user side and I believe we have probably reached the point of no return in that respect.

As to what we do about it? We cultivate ours to be better, add features and users in an organic way that would make our platform the preferred one. But we can't really focus on growth alone and part of the reason for that has to do with the user subset who don't want to become like reddit or digg etc. Additionally, I think we might be able to win over the artists and creators if we added something to prevent AI from scraping their works.

The main thing for users who are already here might just be better decorum. Lemmy users are often mean (myself included in that statement) to people who we view as stupid or ill-informed and we often treat them like trolls. We also assume a certain amount of known information about any given situation and act as if everyone should know, which is problematic.

One last thing I'd like to point out. People on the internet more and more engage with content they don't have to read. I think that's an important part of why forums are dying. Illiteracy is rising. It's hard to have a conversation in written or typed forums when you don't have that skillset. Discord allows people to engage via voice in ways lemmy just does not (this is not advocacy for discord because it's not a forum and treating it as one is problematic on just about every level).