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I'm politically agnostic and have moved from a slightly conservative stance to a vastly more progressive stance (european). i still dont get the more niche things like tankies and anarchists at this point but I would like to, without spending 10 hours reading endless manifests (which do have merit, no doubt, but still).

Can someone explain to me why anarchy isnt the guy (or gal, or gang, or entity) with the bigger stick making the rules?

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[–] Papanca@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (9 children)

I don't see a good lemmy community to learn more about anarchy. Am i missing something? I know about sources online, but it would be nice to read what actual people have to discuss.

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[–] janonymous@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (3 children)

In an anarchist society, that is a community without hierarchies and rulers, threats are handled by the community. So one person with a big stick would have to fight everyone else to establish their dominance.

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[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 7 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Anarchy means nobody is in charge. As soon as somebody with a big stick says they’re in charge it stops being anarchy.

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[–] Shalakushka@kbin.social 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

It is, a lot of people just have pseudo mystical beliefs about how people will act when there is no state. They like to imagine everything bad about humans is capitalism/the state/insert Boogeyman, not that the state and laws exist because we tried the alternative and no system at all always does work out to might makes right. A warlord always moves in to fill the power vacuum.

Some people are bastards and any system you create has to be created with the explicit assumptions that people are bastards. Some people just want to believe no one is a bastard or that there are not enough bastards to hurt the reasonable people. I think those people are wildly optimistic, and removing power structures does not remove the temptation to exert power or the ability, only one specific means.

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[–] MC_Lovecraft@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There's a whole lot of different takes here already, so I'm just going to plug this very excellent book: Practical Anarchism: A Guide for Daily Life and bounce.

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[–] inlandempire@jlai.lu 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (6 children)

Answering the following question might help in clearing up misconceptions: what is anarchism to you ?

From there we can discuss whether or not your definition is correct, and address your question.

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[–] snooggums@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

One thing to keep in mind is that any kind of government is at risk of being the the group with the bigger stick. A dictatorship only works because the group that supports the dictator keeps them in power. A democracy can still treat some of its citizens terribly, and the structure of the government makes is harder to oppose than "the guy with the bigger stick".

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[–] weeeeum@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

It basically is that. People WANT organization and rules, that's how humans evolved. By working together you become much more efficient. This is why countries form and why nearly any inhabited land has A government. Of course there is always one willing to be leader.

Even with the countries themselves, globalisation has prevented rogue states from doing whatever they want and a clear world order has formed.

Other than civil wars there are no real representations of anarchy, let alone "peaceful" or "utopian".

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