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A decision to negotiate over the heads of the Ukrainians would reveal just how Trump sees Ukraine and Europe.

Archived version: https://archive.is/newest/https://theconversation.com/ukraine-isnt-invited-to-its-own-peace-talks-history-is-full-of-such-examples-and-the-results-are-devastating-250049


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[–] Gobbel2000@programming.dev 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The article only summarizes it shortly, but the parallels to the Munich Agreement from 1938 are really scary.

Hitler's aim was to take over all of Czechoslovakia by breaking it apart. The subject of the Munich Agreement was the Sudetenland, the region bordering Germany. Before there were some votes and local political forces expressing the wish of the German minority in the Sudetenland to create an independent state (See the parallels with DNR, LNR and Crimea). This was used by Hitler to justify taking over the region. Suddenly it wasn't about independence anymore, but about inclusion into Germany.

The Czechoslovakian government in Prague obviously hated the idea, but they were not invited to the talks in Munich. Only afterwards were they made aware of the decision that would be imposed on their nation. Who was invited was fellow fascist Mussolini from Italy, as well as France and UK, who gave in and signed this agreement, giving international support to Germany just taking over parts of neighboring nations.

Their reasoning was, if they were to disagree, Hitler would assert his will by force and take Czechoslovakia militarily, starting a large European war (that is also the reason Prague was forced to accept the decision: the alternative was a war they could never win, they could not count on any outside help). This was the so-called appeasement policy by the UK. They bought "peace" in exchange for territories they didn't own but felt the right to decide over. We all know how this heavily-priced peace turned out. At most it gave the allied forces one more year to prepare for WWII.

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 1 points 3 weeks ago

I see a better parallel with the partition of Poland in Molotov-Ribbentrop pact with these talks. The Munich Agreement was the Minsk agreements and letting russia have Crimea.

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

It isn't a peace deal.

It is a deal to bully someone else together.

[–] Hupf@feddit.org 1 points 3 weeks ago

History is full of such examples

[–] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 1 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

I don't think Ukraine will get Donbas and Crimea back. The Donetsk & Luhansk republics would violently resist any attempt by Kyiv to absorb them back into Ukraine.

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[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

This isn't a peace deal, this is a conspiracy. Ukraine has zero obligation to accept any of this. However they will have to start making considerations about a Polish Underground state type of ordeal. This fighting is not going to stop for a decade more. The region is going to resemble fucking Afghanistan.

. Russia has no intention of stopping and they might as well tell MAGA to go fuck themselves, and Europe better get ready to join.

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I hope Ukraine wins and turns on America. I would love to see Trump's face.

[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

I will not be the least bit surprised if there's a future in 5 years where Ukraine no longer exists as a state, and Bitter Ukrainian refugees commit terrorism attacks against the United States.

There is a reason Treachery is the lowest circle of hell in dante's inferno.

[–] ghost_of_faso3@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

War needed to end years ago, any end in sight should be welcomed and anyone preventing that from happening investigated.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

any end in sight should be welcomed

Russia could stop the war any day by just going back to their country. No such possibility for Ukraine, they could only stop by being subjugated by Russia.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Ukraine could have prevented the war in the first place by adhering to the terms of the peace treaties they signed beforehand.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Russia could have prevented the war by, you know, not invading Ukraine. It's not hard not to attack and invade your neighbors, most countries manage that.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Ironic to say that in the context of Ukraine starting a war of ethnic cleansing within its own borders

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's ironic to tell Russia not to invade other countries because Ukraine didn't invade other countries? Sorry but don't see the irony.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh cool you're literally doing the exact same nazi apologia Candice Owens did when she said the only thing they did wrong was export their genocide. So fucking crazy that Ukraine supporters always end up quacking like ducks.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I just said I don't see the irony though.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago (15 children)

You don't see the irony in saying Russia could have prevented a war by not starting one when it was in part responding to a war Ukraine started? Are you playing dumb as a troll?

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[–] fallowseed@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

that is because zelensky and europe don't want peace.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

I could believe that of any major country directly profiting from this. But what's your reliable source for all that, especially Zelenskyy?

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