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It can look dumb, but I always had this question as a kid, what physical principles would prevent this?

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[–] Pulptastic@midwest.social 2 points 5 months ago

Your push would travel at the speed of sound in the stick. You could think of hitting a pipe with a hammer, the sound of the hit would travel at the speed of sound, same is true for you pushing the stick.

[–] Ludrol@szmer.info 2 points 5 months ago
[–] tias@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I don't see this mentioned in any of the other comments: the repulsion between atoms that causes the movement to propagate through the stick is actually communicated via photons. So your push really generates the same kind of particles that your light torch is generating, and they travel at the same speed. Except in the stick it is slowed down by repeated absorption and excitation by the electrons of the atoms.

[–] zecg@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

That's what he meant by we'll use sticks on the other side

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 1 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Nah, I prefer using quantum spookiness for that. Send a steady stream of entangled particles to the other person on the moon first. Any time you do something to the particles on Earth, the ones on the Moon are affected also. The catch is that this disentangles them, so you have only a few limited uses. This is why you want a constant stream of them being entangled.

[–] InputZero@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

This wouldn't work, entangled particles don't work like that. They would be disentangled the moment you do anything to either particle of the entangled pair. The only time any information can be encoded onto entangled particles is when they're created.

[–] ulterno@programming.dev 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The only time any information can be encoded onto entangled particles is when they’re created.

If that were the case, then we aren't really doing FTL communication, unless we manage to entangle them at a distance. No?

OIC, it's still useful if we want to make a secret key and send it somewhere. Then both sides can take a reading sometime in the future and they can then use whatever cluster of entangled particles they saw, as the symmetric key.

[–] pcalau12i@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 months ago

Any time you do something to the particles on Earth, the ones on the Moon are affected also

The no-communication theorem already proves that manipulating one particle in an entangled pair has no impact at al on another. The proof uses the reduced density matrices of the particles which capture both their probabilities of showing up in a particular state as well as their coherence terms which capture their ability to exhibit interference effects. No change you can make to one particle in an entangled pair can possibly lead to an alteration of the reduced density matrix of the other particle.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

You also cannot choose the spins of entangled particles, they collapse randomly in either direction when interacted with, meaning you cannot send messages. If you can figure out how to directly influence the spin of generated subatomic particles then BAM you have FTL communication.

But you would be amazed how many obstacles the universe throws in front of you when you try to break the speed of causality. Faster than light communication isn't possible because it makes no sense when you understand it. It's like "getting answers faster than questions." It's nonsense.

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[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 months ago

Move a sheet up and down rapidly

You can see the wave travel across it

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