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If Facebook and Reddit and Twitter are all going downhill, what leads people to believe that websites like Mastadon or Lemmy won't go the same way eventually?

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[–] necrobius@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Two reasons:

  1. Lemmy admins aren't accountable to investors or shareholders so there's no pressure to make things worse.
  2. If enhsittification happens on any instance. Like it's owned by a cooperation. Then other instances can block it/defederate, or users can move to another instance
[–] wopazoo@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

lack of pressure from investors to make a return

[–] RadicalEagle@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

If you're using "enshittification" the same way Cory Doctorow does, then the key is reducing the cost of moving to alternatives. Once a platform has a captive market then they can start taking advantage of consumers and advertisers.

It's entirely possible that the Lemmy and Mastadon instances you join will become awful, but because anyone can host an instance and consume content from whichever instances they want the switching costs are essentially 0.

Support for ActivityPub is, in my opinion, an important component because it allows for a standardized way to consume content from social media networks. Imagine being able to leave Twitter, but you're able to bring everyone you want to follow with you because their posts can be consumed using a standardized interface.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

It's multiple websites. If admins of lemm.ee (for example) make some awful choices users will jump ship to another instance, still using the same app, and still subscribing to most of their communities.

[–] spark947@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

This is the whole point of federation, having multiple instances, and being open source. It's also why a bunch of the people on here are Linux heads.

Keep on mind that lemmy isn't owned by a single corporation ir organization. It is a bunch of individually owned instances that talk to each other. This means that if you own an instance, you have contr of how it is moderated, but you have to balance that freedom with making your instance a place other instances will have to connect to. Its very democratic.

This goes all the way to the source code, which is open. So, even if the devs try to change it and exert more control, it could be forked.

Of course, you could still be a doomer and say something could come along and ruin it. But, it's at least better than private, venture funded internet platforms on paper.

[–] jws_shadotak@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

This isn't a business. All these instances are hosted by volunteers and nobody is accountable to any shareholders.

[–] DLSantini@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Since when is Lemmy "a website"?

[–] oregoncom@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

All these r*dditors flooding lemmy still haven't figured out federation lmao.