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I'm not sure it's worth caring about, but what do I do when .world mods abuse their power? (lemmy.selfhostcat.com)
submitted 5 months ago by ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com to c/lemmy_support@lemmy.ml
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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Looking at your modlog, I only see 3 actions:

https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&userId=12206547

The first is something about tailscale, but it doesn't show me what community it was removed from, so "Rule 3" isn't a lot of help.

The second is a post asking about how to reach the mods, which a lot of communities would remove as a "Meta" post.

The third seems to be in regard to your response to "What do we do about Elon Musk?" and you responded "Luigi" which is a direct call for violence, that goes against lemmy.world TOS.

Seems extreme to jump STRAIGHT to a perma-ban for that one. I, personally, would have just removed the comment with a warning, which is weird that the mod didn't even do that. If the comment was bad enough for a perma ban, it should have been removed too.

I'd reach out to the other mods in Ask Lemmy and see what they think. They may just be overwhelmed with violent content currently and are taking no prisoners.

[–] ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com 4 points 5 months ago

Thanks for typing that out. Yeah the first time was frustration with a mod removing without comment. Then no one replied to my messages so I made a post. Then finally the admin said I could email him….

[–] ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com 1 points 5 months ago

I messaged @asudox@discuss.tchncs.de

Saying:

Hello, I am reaching out to ask about the sudden permaban on asklemmy@lemmy.world. The shinigami mod permabanned me after I said their source was spam. My prior comment simply says Luigi. They didn't ban me until after I replied that their source was bad. They didn't remove any of my comments. This seems like a gut reaction based on me discrediting their random source. I didn't break any rules and their removal reason is kind of nonsense. Thanks!

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

!yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com

You won't be the first to post there about that

[–] ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

!yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com/t/520433

Exactly my issue!

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 5 months ago

Hm, the link doesn't work for me. Usually you can use the 🔗 icon next to a thread or comment to link to it. Don't worry about the instance, people just have to look, not comment

[–] ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

For some reason uploading photos isn’t working. Any tips? I did try to post there but without photos it’s not helpful.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 months ago

Leave. Different instance.

[–] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Regarding AskLemmy, it was because you were (allegedly) openly calling for violence. I don't necessarily agree with that either but I can understand the rationale much more easily.

There are some laws in the books where the instance could become open to legal liability if a Lemming actually did murder somebody and they traced back their activity on Lemmy and found similar comments. It seems ridiculous but that's what admins sometimes worry about.

According to some cursory reading, Section 230 of the US legal code provides near total immunity to providers, hosts, and moderators of illegal content. However, the statute is still subject to changing interpretations. More importantly, this wide ranging protection of free speech does not apply for most other countries' legal systems. I believe lemmy.world is hosted somewhere in Europe, and they may be concerned that not removing explicit calls to violence could leave them open to legal retribution.

It's really not that hard to get your point across without crossing the line of actually calling for violence. You can express the most vitriolic opinions and hatred towards anyone you want and you'll be legally protected, but once you cross that line towards direct threats on a specific individual, you're exposing everyone on here to the threat of legal action. It's not even like Lemmy instances can afford good lawyers, we would be fucked if anyone ever went after us for that.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I believe lemmy.world is hosted somewhere in Europe

It is. German hoster, Finnish server, Dutch admins.

Maybe we should put it on !youshouldknow@lemmy.world.

[–] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

That is good to know, thank you for that. But maybe if they are worried about legal issues we should avoid posting that information widely 😅

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

It's publicly available in the ToS

Our Governing Laws

The website and the agreement will be governed by and construed per the laws of the following countries and/or states:

The Netherlands
Republic of Finland
Federal Republic of Germany

https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/

[–] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Nobody reads that anyway

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Even more of a reason to point people to it. My point was that LW are really OK with people knowing which laws they are subject to, it was also in their announcement post Luigi

[–] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 months ago

That's fair, I guess it cuts both ways. If people are aware of what laws they are subject to, maybe they will cool off. But somehow I doubt that will happen.

[–] reagansrottencorpse@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Lemmy.world sucks anyways. May as well just use reddit if you are going there.

[–] ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com 2 points 5 months ago

that has been my opinion as well based on recent experience. I didn't leave reddit for more toxic mods

[–] UniversalMonk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 months ago

Yep! It was toxic before the election. Even more toxic now.

[–] scholar@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

Report, Confront (non emotionally), Expose

[–] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I'm going to message the mod, based on what I see in the modlog I don't understand what they were thinking by removing your posts.

They said

Tailscale is networking

Seems like overmoderation to me although I don't know enough about networking or self hosting to be sure